Could the IRS do me a solid and send me what the capital gains on my crypto currency are? I'll pay the taxes--I just don't want to have to calculate the taxes. I know, I know. Intuit and H&R Block refuse to allow that to happen, but if we could stop prioritizing entrenched industries, that'd be really nice.
If IRS all over the world would act as a tax assistant instead of pure penalty seeker I'm sure everybody would love it. Wasted energy IMO.
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
If IRS all over the world would act as a tax assistant instead of pure penalty seeker I'm sure everybody would love it. Wasted energy IMO.
In many other countries they do act like that.
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#133Could the IRS do me a solid and send me what the capital gains on my crypto currency are? I'll pay the taxes--I just don't want to have to calculate the taxes. I know, I know. Intuit and H&R Block refuse to allow that to happen, but if we could stop prioritizing entrenched industries, that'd be really nice.
You, me and most everyone else reasonable. In some countries, taxes are as simple as the tax agency sending you a bill or a check. But, America's love of excess capitalism means our tax code is needlessly complicated and pretty much insists on as many third party businesses to be involved as possible - every company you work for, plus anyone holding your securities, plus Intuit or some other tax preparer, and so forth.
The most sensible requirement, since we're not going to get sensible tax reform ever, would be just making legal exchanges operating in the US have to send out a 1099 variant (maybe 1099-MISC could cover it? Or they could create a new one) so people aren't left scratching their heads all the time. But we'll see if that ever happens...
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Unlike stocks which seem to be entirely traded on exchanges" - no. You could have bought stock directly from the company, in an IPO or secondary offering (where it does not go through an exchange), from an individual or broker not intermediated by an exchange, etc. You can keep stock certificates in a safe deposit box, and then later transfer them into your brokerage account, they have no idea what you paid for them…
Thanks for the clarification. To whit, the few retail equity US and Canadian trading platforms I've used (Schwab's, Interactive Brokers, Scottrade before they became TD Ameritrade, Questrade) also do not provide an explicit feature that purports to calculate capital gains, so Coinbase seems to be exhibiting feature parity with equity retail exchanges. Coinbase and other retail equity trading platforms do provide an e…
You should probably call the IRS tipline and say "I think [Schwab] isn't filing their 1099-Bs, you know the thing which reports cost bases and short-term/long-term capital gains for retail investors, and accordingly they're on the hook for billions of dollars of penalties, but to keep the math easy just write me a check for a billion dollars rather than what the law actually says you owe me for this hot tip."
Or, in the alternative, you could look again.
Re: The IRS collects data on Coinbase account holders
#135Could the IRS do me a solid and send me what the capital gains on my crypto currency are? I'll pay the taxes--I just don't want to have to calculate the taxes. I know, I know. Intuit and H&R Block refuse to allow that to happen, but if we could stop prioritizing entrenched industries, that'd be really nice.
If IRS all over the world would act as a tax assistant instead of pure penalty seeker I'm sure everybody would love it. Wasted energy IMO.
And in my experience at least, their customer service people are courteous and genuinely helpful. It's nothing at all like the standard substandard DMV experience.
Another cool thing is they have an absolutely fantastic record for providing real opportunities (not just busywork) to disabled persons.
Re: The IRS collects data on Coinbase account holders
#136Could the IRS do me a solid and send me what the capital gains on my crypto currency are? I'll pay the taxes--I just don't want to have to calculate the taxes. I know, I know. Intuit and H&R Block refuse to allow that to happen, but if we could stop prioritizing entrenched industries, that'd be really nice.
"How much do I owe?" "How much do you THINK you owe?" "...Hmm, if I have everything correct, I think I owe this much" "WRONG! Time for consequences!"
- Comic book guy
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#137The current governance system will have to adapt or die. It's not much different than any other disrupted industry, except this one is armed.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
That sounds like you're arguing that you want the ability to continue avoiding taxes by not letting the IRS know the whole truth. That's fine, but if I have to pick one entity to extract money from me id rather it go to the government which at least has a tiny chance of benefiting me rather than going to a private company who has no reason to do anything to benefit me
Odd. The majority of the things I consider crucial to keeping my current standard of living comes from private entities. That said, pretending the IRS doesn't already know what taxes to collect from you is definitely naive.
If my choices were to pay the tax man directly or pay a third party to calculate my tax for me because it's too complicated to do myself in part because of that third entities lobbying, then I am always going to choose to cut out the middle man
Also I agree the the IRS can figure out the taxes you'd need to pay if they ever cared to look at you, but I was responding to the parent comment implying that they shouldn't get more information so that they could go outside the regulations
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The problem is, USD is the only legal tender. When I sell Intel stock, that where I made profit in USD. I pay tax on that. But if I trade BTC for DOGE, I haven't made any money. All I have done is swap tokens. And just because someone would pay X dollars for tokens, doesn't mean I made any money. I mean where does it end? If I tell you I'll pay you 10000 dollars for the pocket lint in your pocket, did you just make a…
Lets say you make a 50% gain on btc. You have made money, but haven't realized the gain. You pay taxes when you realize a gain. You're argument is based on semantics, and not convincing. At the end of the day, whether you traded BTC for DOGE or for IKEA couches, you were able to buy more of the second thing after you traded your BTC. You sold it. You realized your 50% gain. Its farcicle to argue that by trading BTC f…
Do you realize a $10/gain, and owe money on that? If yes, let's say you return the toaster, and your Bitcoin is refunded. Do you still pay taxes?
Re: The IRS collects data on Coinbase account holders
#140Could the IRS do me a solid and send me what the capital gains on my crypto currency are? I'll pay the taxes--I just don't want to have to calculate the taxes. I know, I know. Intuit and H&R Block refuse to allow that to happen, but if we could stop prioritizing entrenched industries, that'd be really nice.
>>Could the IRS do me a solid and send me what the capital gains on my crypto currency are? I'll pay the taxes--I just don't want to have to calculate the taxes. Unlike stocks which seem to be entirely traded on exchanges, bitcoin could have been obtained through mining (unlikely, but possible) or a true person-to-person trade/barter. In order to calculate capital gains, one needs to know the cost-basis (i.e. the pri…