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When my salary was around there, it was 9k/month after tax and rent was 2600 (shared 2 bedroom apt which I paid more for bigger room). You’re looking at around 6k.
Whats your title?
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For balance: in Ukraine, a population approximately five times larger than Austria - a grocery store worker would be considered lucky to make 4000 EUR per year. Further - for tens (hundreds?) of millions of people in Europe, in countries such as Hungary, Serbia, Poland, Macedonia, Albania, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro, Moldova, Russia, Belarus, Latvia, Lith…
The numbers within the EU and EEA are PPP adjusted not that badly off. Ukraine is an extreme example where part of ones salary often bypasses the state and taxation so is Greece which has a dysfunctional government and evonomic slump. With extremes like that you might as well compare it with Detroit or if we don’t stick to the EU might as well compare with Mexico.
EU/EEA countries, selected average monthly wages:
Portugal : 1158 EUR Estonia : 1201 EUR Latvia : 925 EUR Lithuania : 851 EUR Poland : 1102 EUR Czech Republic : 1149 EUR Slovakia : 980 EUR Hungary : 955 EUR Romania : 787 EUR Croatia : 1081 EUR Bulgaria : 586 EUR Greece : 1092 EUR
(source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_...)
Summary - Detroit/Michigan wages are three to five times higher than all of the above EU/EEA countries.
No figures are PPP adjusted (but clearly there is a very large gap between Detroit/Austrian-grocery-store-wages compared to much of the EU/EEA).
If we don't want to stick to the EU (btw, you originally referred to "Europe"), using the examples proffered so far:
Mexico 664 EUR per month vs Ukraine 264 EUR per month
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>I’d argue my lifestyle is a lot better too. Looks like the majority of the European "better lifestyle" involves convincing people on the internet that making a fraction of a Bay Area salary is somehow a good thing.
I’m not so sure, SF is nice but it’s not particularly special if you take away the high salaries and great tech connections.
I wouldn't want to move there, but I'd love to stay for a month or two. Too bad that's not possible for me yet (neither rich nor able to work while staying in the US).
Maybe this global work permit thing that the UN supposedly looked into a while ago actually does happen one day...
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A studio in a luxury high-rise downtown runs more like $3300. $4000 is a damn nice 1-bedroom.
You can find one-beds in nice neighborhoods for ~$2500 per month. $4000 is a luxury apartment.
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Nothing in life is "free". Europeans pay way higher taxes than Americans. "would spend it all on rent and cars" Excuses. If you don't want to make it work that's fine. But there are tens of thousands of people making it work in the Bay Area. #1 Don't have a car and live in SF, or buy a used cheap Honda or Toyota. #2 Look at Rooms on craigslist, you can easily find a room or in-law room w/ own private bathroom IN San…
Healthcare in the US is twice as expensive and outcome significantly worse.
Outcome is significantly worse? Then why do world leaders and rich people from other countries visit the U.S. just for healthcare?
I don't hear people from Google/FB complaining about healthcare costs..
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Healthcare in the US is twice as expensive and outcome significantly worse.
Do you not have your tech company paying your health insurance? Outcome is significantly worse? Then why do world leaders and rich people from other countries visit the U.S. just for healthcare? I don't hear people from Google/FB complaining about healthcare costs..
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The numbers within the EU and EEA are PPP adjusted not that badly off. Ukraine is an extreme example where part of ones salary often bypasses the state and taxation so is Greece which has a dysfunctional government and evonomic slump. With extremes like that you might as well compare it with Detroit or if we don’t stick to the EU might as well compare with Mexico.
Detroit (Michigan State) - average monthly wage 2016, 3,210 EUR per month (source: bls.gov) EU/EEA countries, selected average monthly wages: Portugal : 1158 EUR Estonia : 1201 EUR Latvia : 925 EUR Lithuania : 851 EUR Poland : 1102 EUR Czech Republic : 1149 EUR Slovakia : 980 EUR Hungary : 955 EUR Romania : 787 EUR Croatia : 1081 EUR Bulgaria : 586 EUR Greece : 1092 EUR (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_…
Mexico and Ukraine I cannot comment because I know little about it.
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Do you not have your tech company paying your health insurance? Outcome is significantly worse? Then why do world leaders and rich people from other countries visit the U.S. just for healthcare? I don't hear people from Google/FB complaining about healthcare costs..
I'm not who you were responding to, but I like knowing that the poorest person in the country still gets decent care.
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I moved from CA to Europe. Don't regret it. I get a month and a half of vacation, a nice walkable city, and don't feel like I live in a dying democracy. Two days ago my infant was sick. Made one phone call and thirty minutes later a qualified gp showed up at my apartment and made sure everything was fine. At 2 AM. For free. In the US I could make more money but would spend it all on rent and cars (and private school…
Nothing in life is "free". Europeans pay way higher taxes than Americans. "would spend it all on rent and cars" Excuses. If you don't want to make it work that's fine. But there are tens of thousands of people making it work in the Bay Area. #1 Don't have a car and live in SF, or buy a used cheap Honda or Toyota. #2 Look at Rooms on craigslist, you can easily find a room or in-law room w/ own private bathroom IN San…
Plain false.
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Hiring someone across a national border adds a lot of complexity and cost to the employment process. A few companies I have worked for which did have foreign employees ended up with an umbrella company paradigm, with individual corporations in each country to help ease the complications and reduce the costs.
> Hiring someone across a national border adds a lot of complexity and cost to the employment process It's not really true for the US and Canada thanks to Nafta.
This is an issue even if you want to hire in more than one US state.
The question is whether all that adds up to "a lot", which is a value judgment.