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Facebook lost around 2.8M U.S. users under 25 last year

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Re: Facebook lost around 2.8M U.S. users under 25 last year

#131

Never signed up on Facebook. I always treated that offering as a convoluted waste of time. Personal preferences aside, I always wondered what happens to Facebook posts 1 month after publishing. They usually look like something (at Facebook?) scavenges pictures, photos and makes them 404. It moves so fast and breaks so many things, literally.

My photos from 13 years ago are all still there.

Re: Facebook lost around 2.8M U.S. users under 25 last year

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post #15

Facebook suffered from 2 waves of "Eternal September" [0]: wave 1: the addition of everybody outside your immediate friends and close family. You get the goofy uncle, the distant high school acquaintances, and all the work acquaintances from every previous job that submitted a "friend request" that you didn't reject out of politeness. The newsfeed gets polluted by nonsense such as forwarded memes, politics, and other…

All true, but the Eternal September for me came when I lost control of my feed to arbitrary ML algorithms attempting to maximize shareholder value whilst alienating the fewest users. I think someone could recreate early FB on the blockchain and take a huge chunk of interesting people off of the two current awful choices. Because I do remember the time when it was fun to reconnect with people and follow their lives th…

Urbit's ambition is to achieve something that fosters that ability.

Re: Facebook lost around 2.8M U.S. users under 25 last year

#133

Whenever I see a post like this on HN, I see the inevitable "the product sucks" posts in the comments. As an engineer and social media user, I completely agree, but it doesn't seem to be bearing out in the marketplace. Facebook continues to grow[0] (if more slowly). So what is the HN audience to Facebook? Our we taste makers? A demographic ahead of the product curve, predictive of Facebook's imminent decline? Or are…

Just like anything - the techies and first adopters tend to set the trends. If the HN crowd thinks its useless then it will start to trickle down to Normies, might take awhile though.

I've noticed as a techie that I've actually run behind a batch of what you call normies, that decided to quit or entirely restrict their FB activity many years ago due to unwanted social drama / conflict.

About ~8-10% of my Facebook friends quit over a four or five year span. Typically not long after joining Facebook and beginning to contribute (within a year or so). Those accounts have all just been sitting there quasi-dead with blank images, for many years (although they're still on my friends list, and no doubt counted by FB as a user (but not a MAU)). None of them have ever come back alive.

Re: Facebook lost around 2.8M U.S. users under 25 last year

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post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like this. If I may propose one more… wave 3: bots[1] [1] https://mashable.com/2017/11/02/facebook-phony-accounts-admi...

I don't encounter bots on Facebook that much, but they're definitely ruining Instagram. Years ago, I'd be more open to making "Instagram friends". However nowadays when I get a few likes, I go to the user's profile and see that their followers/following ratio is skewed, I know they're fishing for followers with a bot. Ultimately all interactions on social media will be scripted by bots.

Et-al's Law: "All interactions on social media will be scripted by bots"

If you add Atwood's Law to this, all social media interactions will be scripted by bots written in Javascript.

Then the brain-bender: What if you are that bot?

Re: Facebook lost around 2.8M U.S. users under 25 last year

#135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the growth they present is not telling the whole truth. So called MAU and DAU can be for example a person like me who hasnt been on fb.com for 2 months, yet when I visit newspapers and scroll to bottom I see facebook comments section with my profile picture on. Meaning FB will now count me as an DAU/MAU. Look beyond those selective statistics, FB.com is dead.

>Look beyond those selective statistics, FB.com is dead. That's a bit of a strange conclusion when their financials show increasing revenue and increasing profit, quarter over quarter and year over year. From 2016 to 2017 their revenue grew almost 50% as did their Net Income[0]. It's not all roses of course, but it's hardly dead. [0] https://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3AFB&fstype=ii&a...

They are squeezing every last drop out of their userbase, but the numbers do not lie. Decreasing DAU/MAU in their most profitable demographics means that their revenue numbers will eventually suffer.

Re: Facebook lost around 2.8M U.S. users under 25 last year

#136
Is this for deleted users or a marked drop in user activity. Because it takes concerted effort to actually delete a profile and have it remain deleted, it would be a much stronger signal of the platform's decline.

Six years ago when my classmates and I applied to college we were changing our profiles to make them not appear on potential searches by admissions offices. This including faking names, pictures, etc. To me that was the moment Facebook became something I didn't want to be a part of, fake etc.

Re: Facebook lost around 2.8M U.S. users under 25 last year

#137
Facebook stopped being about friends and has become groups. Sharing is not between friends but between interest-groups.

the worst is when your friends share garbage, and you view it, you start to see more garbage suggested to you. you can't "un-see" anything. the algorithm knows.

Re: Facebook lost around 2.8M U.S. users under 25 last year

#138
Facebook for my peers is now used for official announcements by users.

1. just got married/engaged

2. accepted to MBA/Law/Medical/other grad school

3. job offer from prestigious company such as McKinsey/Bain/ Google/FB/Apple

4. DSLR photos of exotic vacations

either that or passive aggresive political viewpoints.

Snapchat serves a completely different purpose and has the daily "realness" going for it

Re: Facebook lost around 2.8M U.S. users under 25 last year

#139
A commenter here told me that it's now possible to delete Facebook while keeping messenger, so that's what I did. Don't miss it at all.

Agree with other posters that it's annoying how anything you like or comment on is broadcasted to your entire feed. Makes you not want to comment or like amything.

Re: Facebook lost around 2.8M U.S. users under 25 last year

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post #64

Whenever I see a post like this on HN, I see the inevitable "the product sucks" posts in the comments. As an engineer and social media user, I completely agree, but it doesn't seem to be bearing out in the marketplace. Facebook continues to grow[0] (if more slowly). So what is the HN audience to Facebook? Our we taste makers? A demographic ahead of the product curve, predictive of Facebook's imminent decline? Or are…

Really interesting question to think about. My gut instinct is both: HN can spot a tech product in decline faster than the majority of people, and I believe we’ll slowly see more and more people move away, along with a lack of younger folks coming onboard. But not everyone will depart: I think Facebook will decline but not cease to exist. It’s the new “TV” to a certain chunk of the population.

I thought the same about MySpace and Digg after they were both eclipsed by Facebook and Reddit respectively - but to my surprise the owners both shut them down and relaunched reinvented versions many years later.
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