Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Hetzner Cloud

hetzner.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

131–140 of 354 posts

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#131

Post by kuschku »

Zekio wrote: post #91
kachurovskiy wrote: post #81

Wonder if using Hetzner makes you subject to unusual German laws requiring (nearly) every site to have an "Impressum" page with contact phone number, mailing address and other data that would be uncomfortable for an individual (not a company) to disclose.

couldn't you in reality just use the data from WHOIS protection on a domain?

People need to actually be able to contact you with that, by letter, fax, phone, email, etc.

All WHOIS protection services I’ve seen until now either ignore fax, phone and letter, or just respond with "this method of contact is ignored, please use the email"

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#132

Post by dx034 »

logronoide wrote: post #118

Hetzner has an excellent reputation for rock-solid engineering and very good prices. While the cloud providers invested in innovation in software, they focused on optimizing the hardware and data center techniques and engineering (something very German, btw). Now that Cloud is a pure commodity and companies are learning about how to be truly 'multi-cloud' they come out of nowhere with a very interesting proposal at i…

And without the OVH cloud interface which has horrible loading times and sometimes randomly switches to French.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#133

Post by melkhior »

latch wrote: post #85
dx034 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hetzner is easily 30% off OVH and half the price of other hosting providers (VPS and bare metal). So nothing surprising here. They have a cheap cost base (data centres in rural areas and wholesale electricity prices aren't that high in Germany) which probably explains most of that. OVH had basically the same price but their heavy investments in new DCs have made them more expensive. Since Hetzner doesn't invest a lot…

Worth mentioning SoYouStart, OVH's low-end brand. I believe the way it works is that OVH is current-gen hardware, and SoYouStart is the hand-me-downs (which I think is a great model)

Also worth mentioning that SoYouStart servers have slower network speeds (250Mbps compared to OVH's 500Mbps-1Gbps)

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#134

Post by kuschku »

hit8run wrote: post #29

Can anyone compare their service to Linode or DigitalOcean? I'm currently using Linode but the Hetzner prices seem way lower: For 35€ a month I get 32GB RAM, 8 vCPUs, 240GB SSD + 20TB Traffic. The comparable 40$ plan for Linode offers 8GB RAM 4 CPU Cores 48GB SSD and 3 TB Transfer (See: https://www.linode.com/pricing ) Am I missing something or is Hetzner just way more competetive? https://www.linode.com/pricing

I’ve been maintaining the price comparison at git.io/vps for a while now, and the answer is:

No, you’re missing nothing. Yes, DO and especially AWS and GCP are about an order of magnitude more expensive than Hetzner, OVH, and similar providers. Much more for traffic.

It’s always been like this, the cloud providers simply have much larger profit margins.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#136

Post by kuschku »

bobince wrote: post #113
TimWolla wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my experience this is false. Hetzner reacts to abuse notices and I never received a server with blacklisted IP addresses. The only organization that caused issues is Microsoft / Outlook.com, but they seem to block every IP address by default. I was able to unblock myself by filling out a form and waiting a few hours for all my servers so far.

FWIW: I block Hetzner. They have an automated abuse-handling system that sends your complaint to the spammer and asks them politely to stop. This often works for small-time operation on a single IP address, and for compromised servers, but it's completely inadequate for dealing with large customers and rogue resellers spamming over large netblocks, and against darker-coloured-hat spammers engaging in reprisals. Reply…

Considering you said you also block Amazon, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15494970, I don’t think your opinion will have much weight on this topic.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#137

Post by TimWolla »

dx034 wrote: post #117
jo909 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Rechenzentren_und_Anbindun... "How are the Data Centers connected to each other? The two Data Center Parks are both connected to Frankfurt (FFM) and each other with dark fiber. Thus, a redundant loop is formed, which ensures the availability of a Data Center should one of the connections fail. The n 10 Gbit/s connections provide ample bandwidth between the Data Centers. The bandwidth…

Ok thanks. So it appears that most peering is done in Frankfurt and available directly. Didn't see that wiki entry before. Let's just hope that they get more peering partners over the medium term. Peering with Telekom would be very helpful, pings from within Germany can be close to what you get from the US East Coast (from my not representative tests).

See this on why they won't peer with Deutsche Telekom: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10645577

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#138

Post by tobltobs »

dx034 wrote: post #73
tobltobs wrote: post #53

Good to see Hetzner catching up to OVH. Some crude comparison of their offers: Hetzner CX11 € 2,96 1 vCPU 2 GB RAM 20 GB NVMe SSD 20 TB Traffic CX21 € 5,83 2 vCPU 4 GB RAM 40 GB NVMe SSD 20 TB Traffic CX31 € 10,59 2 vCPU 8 GB RAM 80 GB NVMe SSD 20 TB Traffic CX41 € 18,92 4 vCPU 16 GB RAM 160 GB NVMe SSD 20 TB Traffic CX51 € 35,58 8 vCPU 32 GB RAM 240 GB NVMe SSD 20 TB Traffic --------------------- OVH VPS SSD 1 1 vCo…

You're comparing OVH's SSD where they don't guarantee speed and have 100mbit connections. Speed on those can be incredibly slow. For a fair comparison you'd have to use their public cloud instances which are 2-3x the price of Hetzner.

My understanding has been that OVH offers guaranteed bandwidth of 100mbit and Hetzners has a 10 Gbit network connection, but I would guess that this connection is shared and doesn't offer any guarantees. Hetzners free traffic is also capped at 20TB. Therefore I left this details away as it is difficult to compare. If would love to see a detailed comparison.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#140

Post by romanovcode »

z3t4 wrote: post #51

I hope they grab enough market share to force other providers to lower their prices, Hetzner is like 10x cheaper and on better network and hardware then their competitors.

scaleway seems even lower and is pretty popular.
Post reply on HN