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Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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Post by dang »

ajnin wrote: post #102
civilian wrote: post #94

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Dude I'm as libertarian as they come; taxation is theft. But you're doing stupid things with semantics here. The company has more money to operate with; we're just talking about this from a business-operation point of view.

I'm curious, as a libertarian, how do you come to the conclusion that private property, which is a political construct, is a good thing, while taxation, which is also a political construct, established by the same set of laws, is a bad thing (If judging by your description of one being "theft" of the other) ?

Please don't take HN threads on generic ideological tangents. They're boring to everyone else and not what this site is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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Post by dang »

JurgenKlein wrote: post #98
civilian wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude I'm as libertarian as they come; taxation is theft. But you're doing stupid things with semantics here. The company has more money to operate with; we're just talking about this from a business-operation point of view.

Not good with math I see. If Foxconn has 10 apples and they decide to move to Wisconsin. When they arrive, Wisconsin decides to NOT take 4 Apples away. How many apples does Foxconn have left?

Personal swipes will get you banned here, so please don't post like this.

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Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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Post by [deleted] »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #56
bradlys wrote: post #44

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"A plain-old asphalt roof with panels would run about $22,000" That's with panels to give equivalent power output. You're essentially paying a $35k premium for a sleeker install.

And what would the effect on property value be for an asphalt roof with garish panels vs. the Tesla option?

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Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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Post by EADGBE »

joshvm wrote: post #115
brians wrote: post #69

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I had a damaged slate roof. Bids to repair it, replacing most of it, were north of $100k. An asphalt roof with 30 year shingles was under $5k. Ten times isn’t enough. I have a slate roof now, and pay a few hundred a year for replacement of broken skates. For historical-commission reasons, I’m much more likely to do Tesla-style tiles than anything else... and electricity here is 22¢/kWh.

Is slate particularly popular in the US? In the UK most tiles are made of clay which are cheap and pretty durable. My neighbourhood is Victorian and I guarantee some of the houses here still have their original tiles. Some towns have slate roofs (e.g. the Lake District), but it's more expensive and a local aesthetic/tradition, more than anything else. Virtually nobody uses shingle roofs. To give an idea of the histor…

Depends on the style of home (Spanish, traditional, modern, etc). I see clay tile, slate, and asphalt mixed in the same neighborhood pretty frequently. Of course, the higher the home value the less likely it's going to have asphalt (or at least asphalt that looks like asphalt).

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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Post by JohnStudio »

jimrandomh wrote: post #16
kodis wrote: post #2

I really love the work that Tesla is doing in this area, and wish them all the luck in the world, but if the estimates in the article are even close ($57K for a Tesla roof, $41K for a tile roof with a small solar panel, $22K for a conventional asphalt roof) it's hard for me to see this being cost effective.

They're already backordered. If they lowered the price, they would be even more backordered, but have less money. We won't know what the non-early-adopter price is until a few years from now.

Well, roof work is an endless source of work .. and an endless source of material (before Elon). The material gets better every year .. its the workmanship that doesn't unfortunately, nor do the hazards associated with roof work. At any price, solar still remains a "cut the wire" thing, and the more wires you cut to the house eventually the more "free" you live. That said, it does not surprise me that Elon has this problem .. no matter what his reputation is .. because he delivers on the workmanship.

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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Post by bradlys »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #130
bradlys wrote: post #73

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Probably depends on the home. I don't think it would add $35k worth of value over the other installation to a home (especially for a typical $200k home). Also, who cares about property value? If you're selling anytime soon after installing either system, you're going to be taking a significant loss because I doubt you'll make it back in added property value. Especially for the Tesla system. Hard to justify to folks,…

Sounds like you figured out what their target market looks like then.

It's definitely an item for the 1% class. I'm not surprised it's "backordered" because it's going to be extremely low supply to begin with.

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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Post by lazerpants »

FireBeyond wrote: post #114
bkjelden wrote: post #101

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The is true in theory, but in practice the housing market isn't 100% efficient. You'll no doubt recoup some of your value, but not all of it.

Part of our bubble is that at times it's been "more than 100% efficient", so to speak. Witness dozens of TV shows, "You guys had $50K for your reno budget. Your original value was $250K, and you spent $50K and now your house is worth $350K!"

Your example doesn't show excessive value capture for the upgrades in the home. Rather, for the extra 50k in bank loaned money, the buyer is choosing not to engage in renovation for reasons typically related to: inconvenience, time restrictions, lack of vision, etc.

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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Post by justicezyx »

civilian wrote: post #103
ajnin wrote: post #102

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I'm curious, as a libertarian, how do you come to the conclusion that private property, which is a political construct, is a good thing, while taxation, which is also a political construct, established by the same set of laws, is a bad thing (If judging by your description of one being "theft" of the other) ?

I think that private property can be easily derived from individual rights. The right to control my own life, the right to do what I want, the right not to be interfered with. Those set a pretty strong precedent for private property. If I create something out of nothing, shouldn't I be able to keep that? I could be down with taxation if someone actually offered me a contract to join the USA with all the provisions. B…

individual rights drive from government control law order etc., right?

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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Post by aquadrop »

sumedh wrote: post #123
civilian wrote: post #94

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Dude I'm as libertarian as they come; taxation is theft. But you're doing stupid things with semantics here. The company has more money to operate with; we're just talking about this from a business-operation point of view.

> taxation is theft. So who should pay for the US military so that your private property is safe from Russian attacks.

That one's easy, no one need to pay US military to safe your property from Russian attacks because there won't by any.
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