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James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by lukev »

imartin2k wrote: post #69
dmode wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on what in your mind is the correct interpretation ? Because, reading his memo, I had the exact same takeaway as the Techcrunch quote you posted here.

I tried to explain this in a blog post. It also irritates me why this is so consequently misinterpreted, as it makes for quite a big difference for the overall narrative. Because of course if someone would claim that an individual woman cannot be as good as an individual man in engineering (or better), that person would be an idiot. "Misunderstanding statistical distribution" https://medium.com/@martinweigert/misunde…

That's a strawman. Nobody is saying that Damore thinks every man is a better programmer than every woman.

He suggested that on average men are biologically more suited to programming, and the contention of his opponents is that that is still a problematic and inappropriate thing to say.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by shats »

ebbv wrote: post #10
Veen wrote: post #3

From the article: > women may not be equally represented in tech because they are biologically less capable of engineering Why do news outlets persistently misrepresent what he actually said? I've read his memo and just about every news article says it contains claims that it doesn't. I have no view on whether he's right or not, but I remain shocked at the misrepresentation of his views throughout the tech media.

From his memo: > I’m not saying that all men differ from all women in the following ways or that these differences are “just.” I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership. He said exactly that, right there. Why do conservatives…

> He said exactly that, right there. Why do conservatives always appear to defend this guy and try to pretend the memo wasn't full of repugnant crap.

Perhaps because what he actually said was that statistically women tend to have lower expression of the traits that engineering positions favor and lower interest in those positions. And because of this the representation of women in tech is lower than their representation in the general population.

Nowhere did he say "all women are worse than all men at engineering jobs". In fact he repeatedly explained that there are tons of exceptions to the statistical rule.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by dmitrygr »

whack wrote: post #78

"...employees of Google who’ve been discriminated against due to their “perceived conservative political views by Google " Is that really illegal? If someone was not hired on account of his being a White supremacist, would he have any basis for a lawsuit?

Yes, yes it is

   No employer shall coerce or influence or attempt
   to coerce or influence his employees through or
   by means of threat of discharge or loss of
   employment to adopt or follow or refrain from
   adopting or following any particular course or
   line of political action or political activity.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by anonemouse145 »

eatitraw wrote: post #85
dmode wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on what in your mind is the correct interpretation ? Because, reading his memo, I had the exact same takeaway as the Techcrunch quote you posted here.

Probably something like "Women are more interested in other fields, so they end up working in these fields instead of tech."

Try reading the memo- with all the citations to research- instead of assuming.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by ThrustVectoring »

ncallaway wrote: post #103
ThrustVectoring wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference between "fewer women wind up having the skills for X" and "women are worse at X".

However there's not much of a different between: "fewer women wind up having the skills for X in part due to biological causes" and "women are worse at X".

The latter implies far more about the competence of women who do have the skills for X.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by carrja99 »

john_moscow wrote: post #87

He doesn't have a choice really. With the PR mess he got himself into, no big company will ever hire him. Imagine the possible headlines "Microsoft hires the James Damore, the male supremacy advocate fired from Google". Nope, regardless the technical skill or his actual personality, his public image is forever ruined. So he realistically has a choice between becoming a paid speaker for fringe ultra-right organization…

> So he realistically has a choice between becoming a paid speaker for fringe ultra-right organizations

Isn't that what he's been doing through his twitter account where he muses whether people join the KKK because they have cool titles? Or his interviews with people like Milo?

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by mydpy »

Legal question: Most employment agreements require employees sign an arbitration clause. Even though these have mixed enforceability, they are very intimidating (which I believe is their intended purpose).

If you had a high-profile case like this, are you choosing to defy the arbitration agreement? Anyone ever gone through this and willing to share the process?

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by throwawayjava »

falcor84 wrote: post #48
creaghpatr wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In California, yes

Could you please provide more detail?

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection...

It's not super clear to me that this would protect Damore, but IANAL.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by thenayr »

john_moscow wrote: post #87

He doesn't have a choice really. With the PR mess he got himself into, no big company will ever hire him. Imagine the possible headlines "Microsoft hires the James Damore, the male supremacy advocate fired from Google". Nope, regardless the technical skill or his actual personality, his public image is forever ruined. So he realistically has a choice between becoming a paid speaker for fringe ultra-right organization…

Or, you know, he could realize what a monumental fuck up he made and try and make a difference for the better.

The dude literally let himself be paraded around by the alt-right and neo-nazi groups as a hero.

-----------EDIT below---------------

Zero sympathy for this dirtbag. He's un-hireable because he deserves to be.

Future advice for Damore wannabees

When alt-right Twitter agrees with your world-views, you're doing something WRONG.

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