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XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by rootbear »

marsRoverDev wrote: post #114
rootbear wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a mess. Palm rejection is terrible. I use a wireless mouse with my XPS 13.

On Ubuntu? I dual boot with windows and while your statement is 100% factual with Ubuntu, it seems to be better handled on windows. This appears to be a software issue; admittedly one which I think that they should be dealing with as a matter of urgency. At least disable the thing while typing, Dell.

Yes, on Ubuntu. I should have clarified that. And yes, when typing, the touchpad should be disabled.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by torgard »

derekp7 wrote: post #113
torgard wrote: post #98

Max 8gb for regular display... I mean, who uses touch screens for development? I can't really imagine a scenario where it would be helpful for me. Maybe when doing work in Illustrator and Photoshop, but I usually use a different machine for that anyhow, because of Adobe's lack of Linux support. I don't want to pay for something I won't use. I am otherwise actively looking for a laptop. System76 does not have European…

The main reason for putting touch screens on laptops is that Windows 8 - 10 have an interface that is designed to be tablet friendly, at the expense of being desktop friendly. So it is easier to do an occasional touch gesture to do certain things. Also, things like kinetic scrolling is easier with touch. With a mouse, you have to click the button, move the mouse, then unclick while the mouse is sill moving. Much easi…

But I thought XPS developer edition was supposed to be aimed at Linux users, specifically Ubuntu.

I use i3, which would (edit:) not benefit from the touch screen from the get-go. Maybe I could configure it to react to touch events in a cool manner, like moving windowed stuff around with touch. Resizing with two fingers.

That might actually be pretty cool

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by rsynnott »

ascendantlogic wrote: post #11

Only 16 gigs of RAM? Why do companies still hold that limit in 2018? I was hoping for 32 gigs back in 2015.

If you want 32GB on current Intel mobile chips, you have to use DDR4 rather LPDDR3, thus requiring more power. Some laptops do this, but usually not the ultrabook-ish ones. Upcoming Intel chips will support LPDDR4, removing the problem.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by qlm »

maxxxxx wrote: post #71

How is the trackpad on these? I still haven't seen a non-Apple laptop where the trackpad comes even close to the Macbook.

I can't speak for this new generation my work laptop is 6th generation XPS 13 running Ubuntu and the trackpad is absolutely terrible. Without an external mouse using the laptop is infuriating.

There are random clicks while typing.

Clicking small targets can be difficult because sometimes the cursor will decide to move 50px further than you expect

Attempting to move the cursor diagonally result in erratic stepping where the cursor moves horizontally, then vertically, then horizontally, etc.

Sometimes the cursor randomly jumps half way across the screen.

Clicks often register as drags.

And so on. I'm not alone, everyone in office has either switched to a Macbook or disabled the trackpad entirely.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by atomi »

torgard wrote: post #98

Max 8gb for regular display... I mean, who uses touch screens for development? I can't really imagine a scenario where it would be helpful for me. Maybe when doing work in Illustrator and Photoshop, but I usually use a different machine for that anyhow, because of Adobe's lack of Linux support. I don't want to pay for something I won't use. I am otherwise actively looking for a laptop. System76 does not have European…

These things should be using m.2.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by torgard »

Tade0 wrote: post #124
torgard wrote: post #98

Max 8gb for regular display... I mean, who uses touch screens for development? I can't really imagine a scenario where it would be helpful for me. Maybe when doing work in Illustrator and Photoshop, but I usually use a different machine for that anyhow, because of Adobe's lack of Linux support. I don't want to pay for something I won't use. I am otherwise actively looking for a laptop. System76 does not have European…

> I mean, who uses touch screens for development? Not touch screens per se, but I was considering the XPS on the basis that the screen is sure to be more rugged than a regular one. My problem is that every laptop I had eventually developed these white pressure spots on the screen.

The 4K resolution is a huge bonus as well. Haven't been able to go back since going to 4K. It has the same vertical resolution as a 2K monitor on its side! Can't go back.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by rsynnott »

IdontRememberIt wrote: post #30

Why is it said to be for developpers and have a 16/9 screen?! Is Apple the only one to understand dev needs (screen needs at least)?

Economies of scale, more or less. 16:9 panels seem to be cheaper these days (particularly noticeable if you look at desktop monitors; 16:10 models carry a premium), because most panels are 16:9.

16:9 monitors are also more marketing-friendly, because the standard measure of monitor size is the diagonal. A 13" 16:10 monitor has a fair bit more area than a 16:9 one, but both are advertised as 13".

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by woodrowbarlow »

dr_zoidberg wrote: post #92
saycheese wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not seeing a major difference between 3:2 and 16:9 aspect ratio displays, what am I missing? http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-lx100/z-lx10...

Just a bit more vertical space (a few? a dozen? more lines of code per screen) vs slightly wider screen (better for movies, and games maybe). It may be nitpicking, I actually grew used to 16:9 aspect ratios and don't really mind it.

i find 16:9 allows me to comfortably fit a text editor (with tree browser, minimap, and 100 columns of text) on the left and a terminal on the right. i need to shrink the text further than is comfortable for me if i want that layout on most 3:2 displays.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by NiceGuy_Ty »

torgard wrote: post #98

Max 8gb for regular display... I mean, who uses touch screens for development? I can't really imagine a scenario where it would be helpful for me. Maybe when doing work in Illustrator and Photoshop, but I usually use a different machine for that anyhow, because of Adobe's lack of Linux support. I don't want to pay for something I won't use. I am otherwise actively looking for a laptop. System76 does not have European…

I got the touch screen for the better resolution. I also disabled the touch screen capabilities by toggling an option in BIOS

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by scubaguy »

torgard wrote: post #98

Max 8gb for regular display... I mean, who uses touch screens for development? I can't really imagine a scenario where it would be helpful for me. Maybe when doing work in Illustrator and Photoshop, but I usually use a different machine for that anyhow, because of Adobe's lack of Linux support. I don't want to pay for something I won't use. I am otherwise actively looking for a laptop. System76 does not have European…

"Who uses touch screens for development?"

I do! While the kids were watching TV, I was sitting next to them coding a personal project. As I was scrolling through documentation on the web, sometimes it was just easier to use the touch screen than to use the trackpad. I remember thinking to myself, "Whoa, I didn't think I'd use the touchscreen on this laptop".

If I had my quiet space with an actual keyboard and a mouse, I would not use the touch screen. But I no longer have that luxury and I found myself appreciating the touchscreen on my laptop.

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