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Unknown Mozilla dev addon "Looking Glass 1.0.3" on browser

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Re: Unknown Mozilla dev addon "Looking Glass 1.0.3" on browser

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Post by icebraining »

gr3yh47 wrote: post #106
LyndsySimon wrote: post #57

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Hopefully, it's a bug, and that addon wasn't intended to be installed (much less active) universally like it is. That doesn't make it OK, but it would make me look at them with suspicion instead of hostility.

>Hopefully, it's a bug, and that addon wasn't intended to be installed (much less active) universally like it is. hey look, a voice of reason! seriously. Mozilla is a company that has a long track record of dedication to openness and the free and open internet this isnt Google, facebook, etc let's all take a step back and give them a little benefit of the doubt here, until we get some facts on what happened. for ever…

Mozilla is a company that has a long track record of dedication to openness and the free and open internet

True, and that's why I never stopped and recommending Firefox since I first installed Phoenix. That said, they're already installing and enabling Cliqz by default (for some users), and that's no bug. So it's not absurd that people might assume this isn't either. Reputation is hard to gain and easy to lose.

Re: Unknown Mozilla dev addon "Looking Glass 1.0.3" on browser

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Post by [deleted] »

Simon_says wrote: post #71
theossuary wrote: post #43

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If you clicked on the link about shield studies you'd see it says they're opt in, did you not getting prompted about it?

I did not knowingly opt-in to any shield studies, and I see it installed for me. I guess it's possible that I clicked on something without reading it. Anyways, I've taken the opportunity to opt-out of Firefox.

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Re: Unknown Mozilla dev addon "Looking Glass 1.0.3" on browser

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Post by GenericsMotors »

akerro wrote: post #100
theossuary wrote: post #43

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If you clicked on the link about shield studies you'd see it says they're opt in, did you not getting prompted about it?

> If you clicked on the link about shield studies you'd see it says they're opt in, did you not getting prompted about it? No, I had Firefox test pilot with `Video Min` addon, I was not prompted about he `Looking Glass` I removed all addons from Mozilla and their test pilot yesterday. There is only one thing that keeps me away from moving to Brave browser https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop/issues/3101 I hope the…

Not surprised to see your comment being downvoted...HN has such a double standard when it comes to certain brands/vendors.

Windows 10 sends telemetry by default? Microsoft is literally Satan incarnate! BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!!!

Firefox installs crapware addons without user permissions and signs them up to participate in "studies"? Shhhhh...it probably only an innocent bug, nothing to see here, move along now.

Re: Unknown Mozilla dev addon "Looking Glass 1.0.3" on browser

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Post by DarronWyke »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #119
LyndsySimon wrote: post #103

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Something was installed on my system without my permission, from a vendor that I chose specifically because they promise not to do things like that. To put it another way - if I discovered a rootkit sitting in the ~/Downloads directory on my Mac, that would be a problem. If the entity that surreptitiously placed it there said that I shouldn't worry about it because it hadn't been run, I wouldn't be inclined to trust…

That lack of permissions make this illegal IMO. CFAA in USA and CMA in UK both make unauthorised access and unauthorised modification of a computer a crime. I've used FF since before it was FF, and I've installeded it on umpteen other people's computers; strongly advocating for it. Since they sacked that guy for not conforming to a specific liberal ideology they seem to have gone batshit crazy ... what happened? Was…

Hahaha. You gave them permission when you agreed to their TOS. But you didn't read it, did you?

Re: Unknown Mozilla dev addon "Looking Glass 1.0.3" on browser

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Post by teamhappy »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #108
teamhappy wrote: post #75

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> So Mozilla lets advertisers push extensions to your browser? Of course not. Mozilla can install extensions if you have "shield studies" enabled. They use extensions it to run UI studies and things like that. I think you have to opt-in to each study individually if you want to be part of it. Enabling the studies in your settings only means "notify me when there's a new study I can participate in". See https://suppor…

That sounds like "no they haven't pushed an unsolicited advert at all ... except to people who offered to be in a development program, who they've pushed an unsolicited advert to" ...

I was talking about advertisers running code in your browser. I think you have to opt-in to participate in one of the studies, so that's not happening without your consent.

It looks like Firefox auto-installs the studies though if you've enabled the feature. But it only activates the individual extensions for the studies once you've opted in to participate.

The extensions themselves need to be approved by a bunch of people at mozilla (at least for the normal studies). So I guess nothing bad can happen until you click "participate" or whatever they call it.

Still, I would also consider the notification itself to be an ad. This was obviously a bad idea and I don't want anyone to think I'm defending it. I guess they've chosen to abuse their shield studies for this because it's the only way for them to send notifications to the browser, but that's no excuse. I have the studies disabled anyway but now I'm not even going to consider ever turning them on.

Re: Unknown Mozilla dev addon "Looking Glass 1.0.3" on browser

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Post by roywiggins »

teamhappy wrote: post #138
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #108

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That sounds like "no they haven't pushed an unsolicited advert at all ... except to people who offered to be in a development program, who they've pushed an unsolicited advert to" ...

I was talking about advertisers running code in your browser. I think you have to opt-in to participate in one of the studies, so that's not happening without your consent. It looks like Firefox auto-installs the studies though if you've enabled the feature. But it only activates the individual extensions for the studies once you've opted in to participate. The extensions themselves need to be approved by a bunch of…

I never knowingly opted in to anything and found both the "Studies" section and the "pug-experience" study turned on just now in about:studies. I don't know if it really is meant to be opt-in, but it certainly didn't seem like they've done it correctly.

Re: Unknown Mozilla dev addon "Looking Glass 1.0.3" on browser

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Post by Sytten »

And this is one of the reasons I stopped my yearly donation to the Mozilla foundation even if I love the new FF. If they need money so badly they should push their donation campaign and keep their products clean instead of pushing some shady alliances with big corporations.
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