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Waymo now testing its self-driving cars on public roads with no one at the wheel

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Does it pull over for police? And what about for police impersonators?

Yes and yes. https://medium.com/waymo/recognizing-the-sights-and-sounds-o... Though one can easily imagine a system designed to prevent the latter. Preventing hijackings is more complicated than that though, since an autonomous vehicle will stop for anyone who gets in its way, not just police officers. The array of cameras, lidar sensors, etc each car comes with is probably a fairly decent deterrent against that thre…

Why does Google's Waymo host a blog on Medium?

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> a licensed driver somewhere So, who would that be in this case? Does Waymo have a licensed driver monitoring the vehicle remotely, ready to take over at a moment's notice?

I'm not sure about "at a moment's notice", but yes they're supposed to have live operators standing by who can remotely direct the vehicles when needed. Since these are Level 4 vehicles, they should be able to safely pull over or stop when they are unsure what to do, so it isn't necessary to have a human continuously monitoring at all times.

What are level 4 vehicles?

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Excited about the technology and expected this news eventually, but in less of a "Bam, we did it" and more of a "Coming Dec 2017... look for new autonomous vehicles, they'll be bright orange with flashing lights". Following-up on the "How is this legal" question below, can anyone comment on: 1. For the 'autonomous engineers/technologists': a) Is the technology mature enough that it can be utilized without an on-board…

I think the question is what happens when the first accident happens caused by autonomous car. US law is not really forgiving in this regard.

Re: Waymo now testing its self-driving cars on public roads with no one at the wheel

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Does it pull over for police? And what about for police impersonators?

Yes and yes. https://medium.com/waymo/recognizing-the-sights-and-sounds-o... Though one can easily imagine a system designed to prevent the latter. Preventing hijackings is more complicated than that though, since an autonomous vehicle will stop for anyone who gets in its way, not just police officers. The array of cameras, lidar sensors, etc each car comes with is probably a fairly decent deterrent against that thre…

I guess eventually police vehicles can just stop autonomous ones with the press of a button, so it doesn't have to rely on its "senses". Some two-way identification between the vehicles; avoid the issue of impersonators completely.

Re: Waymo now testing its self-driving cars on public roads with no one at the wheel

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Waymo and Cruise automation are building out call centres, where remote human monitors will be available to help out the vehicles when they get hung-up. The monitors won't be able to make safety-critical interventions, but they'll be able to give the cars and passengers instructions, kind of like a backseat driver, I guess. So if there's an accident scene, for example, the human monitor will judge whether to stop and…

Ah, the cat is out of the proverbial bag! These cars are not really "self-driving" at all! They are merely remote-control cars with adaptive cruise and lane assist. So it's somewhere between a Lyft and remote surgery. What happens if the car loses internet?

I think the implication is that those call centers will be used less than 1% of the time.

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im 42, so no not too young - and I appreciate your point. I feel that people are latching onto their opinions about driverless car tech and not talking about the wider implications. That is the point, I am poorly, making, apparently.... I just think that not all the questions have been asked about what it means to be a "driverless car" and that we need to run through all the risks -- and thats the one thing I find re…

did you not read the terms of service when you opened the car door? they are not responsible.

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Re: Waymo now testing its self-driving cars on public roads with no one at the wheel

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This, indeed, is a major step for Waymo. While some people may be skeptical about the safety of these rides, we all saw this coming. This has been a part of the ambitious goal most self-driving companies set out when they start. The reason I say "part of the goal", is because the end goal is L5 - to handle more complex scenarios which I assume Waymo is still working on.

Taking the ninety-ninety rule or the rule of credibility into consideration, the remaining 10% of development will probably take 90% of the time. By this, I mean that reaching a stage where L5 cars are owned by consumers can take a long time (if at all people want to buy instead of sharing, but that's a separate topic). For example, running this project in Pittsburgh, Boston, or SF is much more difficult than in suburbs of Arizona. Conditions with rain, snow, uneven terrain, high population density are still difficult to handle.

Several challenges still remain, from both technical and legal perspectives. However, any of that may not undermine the tremendous opportunities for Waymo (or its partners). There are several areas/markets that are ready for this technology (e.g., ride sharing in suburbs, transportation of non-dangerous goods over passengers, etc.)

Re: Waymo now testing its self-driving cars on public roads with no one at the wheel

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I think they're massively underestimating the general public's reaction to something like this. I as a nerdy tech dude think this is very tight and if I was much younger this would blow my mind, but I think this also might frighten many people.

I don't know if that's being considered at all here or maybe the transition will be slow enough to allow people to cope with the change.

Re: Waymo now testing its self-driving cars on public roads with no one at the wheel

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>> The public will accept the perceived risks in driverless rides. This is what I am trying to highlight - what, specifically, are these risks that people need to be made aware of? So now, in addition to everything, there will come a day when a person is stranded some-place as the driverless car couldnt exactly find them, and the person had to call the call center to get help and guess what... calling the call center…

Replace your driverless car with the driverless metro in Copenhagen, where you're only likely to see a metro employee in the busiest stations at peak times. Danish society hasn't yet collapsed. I think you're overstating the issues.

Is that said metro attached to rails -- or does it take you along "lines" where you have to get out at a designated station and then walk 2 miles to you house -- or does it pick you up and take you directly to the market.

Your comment is bullshit comparison if youre talking about comparing freaking rails with vehicles whos routes are 100% random per rider.

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They manage to climb in, they OD/go into arrest, cant climb out. What then? So the uber now has to either get a person or take that car to a hospital - how do they know to do such? So is uber running a massive call center that watches every driverless ride and monitors the situation? Are they monitoring if people get into a fight in the car? That actually happened to me, where I took an uber pool, and the two other r…

These aren't hard questions in the long term though. Non responsive passenger->follow protocol that emergency services prefers (or even legally requires). Fist fight->stop car, inform passengers that car won't transport them further. Rape->turn over recordings of vehicle interior to police. I suppose for the last one you have to take it as a given that they are making such recordings (probably on a rolling basis), bu…

I appreciate your calm response.

So, then the idea for a unicorn is that we need a "fitbit for health monitoring while riding in a self driving car" as an app on the apple watch.

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