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Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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I'm going to go out on a limb and propose a hypothesis: The DoD's hyper-innefficient contracting system rewards DC insiders and effectively limits the department's ability to invest where investment is needed while draining the public coffers of unfathomable amounts of money. The DoD's hyper-ineffective personnel system inhibits personal development while at the same time making it nearly impossible to move laterally…

The power on the inside is more of a effective deterrent and great asset than a deficit for the DoD.

Economically how it works is that the DoD secures assets and locations around the world relating to the means of production of consumer components. American interests, especially the interests of the American consumer are definitely protected and represented for.

Where this model has failed for us is put a huge deficit in our self reliance with regards to consumer production. Due to globalization, American politicians have no urgent need to educate the workforce more than they already have, they can provide security and investment to produce a source of worldwide talent, all thanks to the contractors playing their crucial role in the ecosystem of American security.

What people fail to understand is that no organization or system is perfect. The DoD isn't organized for the new kinds of warfare being performed. The main job of the DoD is to protect American interests abroad, not operate in the background on American soil against hundreds, thousands of nation-state and criminal organizations.

The FBI does this job, they successfully work with hundreds of private contractors. You'd be surprised by the scale on which they are resourceful and helpful.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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I find these allegations are deserving of some scrutiny. The entire story is quite bizarre when you begin to consider it. The NSA is apparently leaking like a broken pipe with this information. And it's peculiar because this is information that makes our intelligence agencies look completely inept. That is a very good thing if this story is fake, but a very bad thing if its true. It is stupefying that NSA contractors…

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Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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It's only been ~1yr since the election. You have to be patient for big cases like this. Until then we have to trust the US intelligence community. Their messaging has been consistent that their arch-enemy they've been competing with for decades pulled a fast one on them and was unexpectedly effective at influencing an election. Government sources have been leaking a bunch of stuff to the press in the meantime. This w…

> You have to be patient for big cases like this So in other words, no “verifiable“ proof at all, just rumors, hearsay, and unbacked assertions. > Until then we have to trust the US intelligence community. Sorry, no. Their success rate and overall trustworthiness is abysmal, let alone it's foolish to trust secret data even if it weren't the case.

You are out there every day pushing back against anonymous voting then?

Who voted for which candidate is secret and we rely on counts that aren’t broadcast live

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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I hope NSA is doing the same with Russian Cyber Defense systems. This is what NSA should be focused on and not on turning its eavesdropping capabilities towards the homeland. What if an adversary where to hack the NSA warehouses were all communications swept up by their eavesdropping efforts are stored?

For all we know this story could be false. Perhaps this story is to bait them into stealing from the NSA or more.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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When the number one tactic involves paying people to troll and influence on social media it's being willfully ignorant to look at every post in a vacuum and to not look for patterns.

I'm not saying the original poster isn't Russian, maybe they are. Does it really matter? If what they are saying isn't true we can contradict it or ignore it right? However if what is being said is true maybe the bigger problem is not _who_ is saying what but rather that this truth exists to be said and maybe we should do something about that rather than ascribing motives which may or may not be accurate.

If I can’t trust the messenger there is little point in my verifying their claims

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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> You have to be patient for big cases like this So in other words, no “verifiable“ proof at all, just rumors, hearsay, and unbacked assertions. > Until then we have to trust the US intelligence community. Sorry, no. Their success rate and overall trustworthiness is abysmal, let alone it's foolish to trust secret data even if it weren't the case.

You are out there every day pushing back against anonymous voting then? Who voted for which candidate is secret and we rely on counts that aren’t broadcast live

Anonymous doesn't mean secret. If the governor of Ohio says his people want Trump over Hilary, just trust him, you don't need to know how he knows would you? I mean, I don't trust unauditable electronic voting machines. I certainly wouldn't trust someone who couldn't even point to the machine he got his info from.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Wait, are you saying the commanders are trying to destroy the soldiers' personal hidden phones by making them swim with their gear?

Yes, they are banned of course as per regulations but that is hardly going to stop the hardened phone addicts

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Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Wait, are you saying the commanders are trying to destroy the soldiers' personal hidden phones by making them swim with their gear?

Yes, they are banned of course as per regulations but that is hardly going to stop the hardened phone addicts

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Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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> Since Iraq I have become much more critical of pretty much everything. Our media and our government lied to generate a case for war. Uh, while there were some media collaborating with the government propaganda, the government's case for war was thoroughly and pretty completely debunked in the mainstream media, nearly in real-time. Few people paid as much attention to that as what the government was saying, which th…

There's a useful tool in search engines that I think are desperately underused. This [1] is a search for "Iraq" on Google with results from January 1st to March 1st, 2003. We would invade on March 20th. I'll leave the results without comment. I think they speak for themselves. A couple of asides are that it's very interesting to do the same sort of thing with "Russia" in more contemporary times. Our minds do very str…

Internal wars about slavery, Japanese American camps during WW2, McCarthyism, an plainly obvious global imperialism schemes for over a generation....

America’s entire history is a shitshow of hypocrisy

It’s a truism of humanity; each of us is ignorant and naive in our own ways

Welcome to reality

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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It boggles my mind they don’t require source files for things running with administrative privledges on government computers, so they can audit it and then compile it themselves. Though in this case it wouldn’t have helped, because apparently the information was brought home to a personal computer.

That's actually a recent development: http://fortune.com/2017/07/02/kaspersky-source-code-inspecti...

Wouldn't the source on such a system change daily? How do you keep up with updates?
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