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U.S. To Collect Social Media Data on All Immigrants Entering Country

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post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i follow your logic but respectively disagree - there are so many good reasons delete your facebook account at this point - and lets face it, when they say "social media" they mean facebook

They probably also care about the videos you watch, the keyword you search, the private conversations you have on chat apps.

And your contacts...

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#132

My tentative, loosely held decision to not enter the US for any reason has become surprisingly easier to justify as time goes on.

Ah, yes - wouldn't want the American government to look at your public profile information which you voluntarily posted online.

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As a permanent resident with a pending citizenship application (who came on the visa mentioned at the end of this article), I find this incredibly alarming. I have nothing to hide, despise terrorism and the fanatics that commit it, and wish no harm on others with different social, political, or religious views. But I'm familiar enough with history to know how badly this can end. "Papers please" had consequences, espe…

Maybe I'm being contrarian but how is this a big deal? I'd expect the government to be collecting all public information for its citizens and those visiting the country - why not? This isn't private info, it's publicly posted social media information, which is VERY easy to set to private if you wish. If they were collecting private info or browsing data, sure.

Not a fan of the fourth amendment?

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#135
I see a new market opening - creation of US favorable social media profiles as a service. UFSMPaaS, just rolls of the tongue, I know. Pay a company and they will populate your social accounts with "I love the USA!" type phrases and media. They do that for a year before someone tries to immigrate.

Or even worse. Don't like someone, send a public social media messaged directed at them with something like "Yeah, I got your plans. Already bought the pressure cooker and ball bearings". Watch them being turned away at the border and ruining their vacation.

When those in power act irrationally there will always be a new opportunity for someone to take advantage and abuse that.

Also I am not sure if it is good that I never signed up for Facebook and Twitter or bad because now I'll be flagged - "Got nothing on this weirdo, only some computer programming nonsense. Probably good to keep an eye on him".

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post #128
post #122

As a permanent resident with a pending citizenship application (who came on the visa mentioned at the end of this article), I find this incredibly alarming. I have nothing to hide, despise terrorism and the fanatics that commit it, and wish no harm on others with different social, political, or religious views. But I'm familiar enough with history to know how badly this can end. "Papers please" had consequences, espe…

Maybe I'm being contrarian but how is this a big deal? I'd expect the government to be collecting all public information for its citizens and those visiting the country - why not? This isn't private info, it's publicly posted social media information, which is VERY easy to set to private if you wish. If they were collecting private info or browsing data, sure.

>Maybe I'm being contrarian but how is this a big deal?

Ask a person in Argentina, Chile, Spain, and lots of other places besides.

>I'd expect the government to be collecting all public information for its citizens and those visiting the country - why not?

Because their social media lives are not its business -- citizens or not.

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#137
I can wait to "declare" my "Hacker News" account at a border. Surely there will be no misunderstanding.

All of that aside, there's nothing particularly surprising or even notable. PRISM has been operational for, what, 10 years? This is pretty tame in comparison.

This is a more of a disclosure test. They already know what you do on social media. Now you just have to tell them explicitly, because if you leave something out, you'll be denied entry.

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post #135

I see a new market opening - creation of US favorable social media profiles as a service. UFSMPaaS, just rolls of the tongue, I know. Pay a company and they will populate your social accounts with "I love the USA!" type phrases and media. They do that for a year before someone tries to immigrate. Or even worse. Don't like someone, send a public social media messaged directed at them with something like "Yeah, I got y…

Don't be too positive though - if the TSA think you really love the USA then you might want to move there.

You need to write a bot that tweets 'I love the USA but wouldn't want to live there' every day.

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#139
post #103
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Maybe 50 should be the upper bound. I'm in my fifties and have never had any sort of social media account. Are you not posting here?

Can you explain how you see Hacker News as social media?

We are discussing with each other publicly on a website, sharing ideas and information. Each of us is doing so tied to an identity, such as it is. Just as we might on Reddit, facebook, instagram, etc. All are social media. HackerNews is by no means different.

In what way do you find it is not social media, or maybe I should ask how narrow is your definition of social media?

I tried to find how exactly DHS defines "social media" because that is actually what is relevant to this discussion, but I was unable. I think someone had posted their definition in one of the other threads on this topic, if you want to try to find it yourself.

Feel free to read through Wikipedia's article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media

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As much as I’ve always loved to come to the US and as fascinating as some US conferences are (e.g. StrangeLoop might be my personal fav) – no international attendee or speaker can be expected to put up with this ever expanding amount of bullshit anymore. If the science community or “our industry” really want to encourage and unlock the magic of diversity we need new venues for a whole lot of conferences either in Can…

Australia is nice this time of year. Why not send a conference or two down under? Smart, well educated individuals, all motivated by the perpetual drive for international relevance and the existential dread of possibly being taken by the wildlife at any moment.

>Australia is nice this time of year. Why not send a conference or two down under?

Because it's even worse in this regard.

>Smart, well educated individuals

Well, let's not generalize.

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