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Re: SpaceX: Making Life Multiplanetary [video]

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An update from Elon on the pricing[1]: > Fly to most places on Earth in under 30 mins and anywhere in under 60. Cost per seat should be about the same as full fare economy in an aircraft. Forgot to mention that. [1]: https://www.instagram.com/p/BZnVfWxgdLe/

>Cost per seat should be about the same as full fare economy in an aircraft. Forgot to mention that.

The ticket is worth much more than economy!

Re: SpaceX: Making Life Multiplanetary [video]

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> It is very easy to forget that high-tech engineer is a species that only thrives in politically stable countries. I disagree, a lot of nations became stable because of engineering solutions in the first place and also more scientifically literate. There is a ton of examples of this. The first telescope, as an example, thanks to Hans Lippershey and Galileo Galilei showed that the earth wasn't flat and removed some p…

> Scientific discoveries and technological innovation is the only thing that push a society forward. No, man, that's simply not true. That's an incredibly technocratic view of the world. Using the U.S. as an example, the (belated) end of slavery in the U.S. didn't come about from a scientific discovery or a technological innovation. Technics played a part in the exacerbation of the issues, but it was politics, cultur…

Yep, aka the basic, but always true "guns vs butter" lesson.

Who wants to live in a technologically sophisticated world if most of the spending goes to war, surveillance, bailing out rich bankers, healthcare insurance, and just housing, anyways?

Re: SpaceX: Making Life Multiplanetary [video]

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> Scientific discoveries and technological innovation is the only thing that push a society forward. No, man, that's simply not true. That's an incredibly technocratic view of the world. Using the U.S. as an example, the (belated) end of slavery in the U.S. didn't come about from a scientific discovery or a technological innovation. Technics played a part in the exacerbation of the issues, but it was politics, cultur…

Yep, aka the basic, but always true "guns vs butter" lesson. Who wants to live in a technologically sophisticated world if most of the spending goes to war, surveillance, bailing out rich bankers, healthcare insurance, and just housing, anyways?

That is the issue you get when you do not spend money on science though. Compare the NASA budget to the US military budget.

What if you would reverse that? Don't you think we would be better off in every way possible?

Re: SpaceX: Making Life Multiplanetary [video]

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> Even a single high-profile disaster with human loss or precious cargo will put the whole endeavor at risk. Why? This is not a government bureaucracy. People die in many places in private business. As long the company has high level of assurance that they will not get sued or regulated, I don't see how a failure could collapse the whole endeavor.

In the US, the value of someone's life depends on their citizenship, so they can perhaps get around this problem by only crewing their rocket with non-Americans.

Don't Americans die in coal mines? Don't Americans die on construction cites. Don't pilots die in air travel accidents?

Re: SpaceX: Making Life Multiplanetary [video]

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Honestly, Elon's presentations are some of the most impressive, inspiring I've ever seen. And the way he just stumbles out words and sentences that are completely revolutionary... casually dropping these absurd, incredible statements. I find it incredible. If anyone else was saying this, was showing these graphics, you'd think it was just wish fulfillment; a fantasy. And I'm sure their timeline is a bit aggressive. B…

“It's 2017. We should have a lunar base by now. What the hell's going on?”

Re: SpaceX: Making Life Multiplanetary [video]

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I would be really excited about a future where everyone had access to clean water. Going to space is fun and exciting. The future of space travel is going to be interesting, but it essential that when we imagine the future that we do so while recognizing the glaring problems of today.

The lack of access to clean water and most of the bad stuff happening around the world is not an engineering problem, it's a political problem. Elon Musk's passion lies in engineering, not in politics. So while your sentiment is fine in a vacuum, I don't think it fits on this thread, and it's certainly not a sound criticism against advancing space colonization. In fact, there's a sizable sentiment that this planet is…

/me is looking forward for a new planet without politics

Re: SpaceX: Making Life Multiplanetary [video]

#139
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So the key takeaway for me today compared to 1 year ago, is that Elon has put a lot of thought on how to make this plan economically viable compared to just the vision last year. Multiple potential streams of revenue: - Government/intragovernment contracts to cleanup space debris. - Government/Private satellite launches. - Earth to earth transportation which Elon announced on Instagram that the cost would be comparab…

I think the key is that this rocket will replace the F9/FH/Dragon architecture rather then being a separate line of development.

It's key, and it's clever design. Basically space shuttle next edition with the booster on the bottom rather than it being strapped to the side of it and where the booster is reusable. It's a two-part vehicle: booster/shuttle.

The original space shuttle had a 40% vehicular failure rate. The SpaceX Shuttle need to have commercial airline rates of failure and reusability. That's a big step up.

You know the way we still have 80 column terminals because punch cards had 80 units?

The decisions SpaceX make now are going to become space-faring standards for decades if not centuries to come.

Re: SpaceX: Making Life Multiplanetary [video]

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Highlights for me: Started ordering stuff for the mars ship now, started facilities construction, possibly hitting a first launch in 2022 and a second launch window in 2024. An extremely aggressive and impressive timeline.

Even if they miss 2022 the next window at 2024 is still incredible. Who would have seriously believed we'd fly something of that size to Mars by that time and have a manned mission two years later?!

The same who that believed their timeline for when they would have a human certified rocket?
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