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When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by shady-lady »

pdehaye2 wrote: post #43
donquichotte wrote: post #32

> A few months earlier, 70,000 profiles from OkCupid (owned by Tinder’s parent company Match Group) were made public by a Danish researcher some commentators have labelled a “white supremacist”, who used the data to try to establish a link between intelligence and religious beliefs. The guy's name is Emil Kirkegaard and the paper and data is still available. I skimmed the paper and have no idea why he was labled a "w…

Hi, I am the person who is cited in the article and who helped Judith get access to her data. If you are interested in the OKCupid story, Judith also wrote about this in more details, also with my input. https://www.letemps.ch/sciences/2017/04/07/laboratoire-fake-...

By any chance, is there an English version available?

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by lordlimecat »

vidarh wrote: post #15
nicktelford wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The country the data resides in is irrelevant. If the data is about an EU citizen, that's all that matters. I believe the company in question would also need a legal entity in the EU in order for the EU to prosecute them, as I don't think you can take (e.g.) an American company to an EU court. IANAL though.

You can take an American company to an EU court assuming the EU court has jurisdiction, and laws can specify that its jurisdiction should extend to actions taken outside the geographical area (I don't know if that is the case here). Without a US court case they'd be dependent on assets or an income stream in the EU to be able to force payment of any fines, though.

>You can take an American company to an EU court assuming the EU court has jurisdiction,

Sure you can. EU Courts did it to Microsoft over (IIRC) internet explorer resulting in a brand new SKU. Microsoft tried the logic you used at which point the EU courts started levying 1.5m euro / day fines for noncompliance.

Turns out that if you want to do business in a jurisdiction badly enough, it creates their leverage to enforce their laws on you.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by dogma1138 »

Msurrow wrote: post #124
dogma1138 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The data subject shall have the right to withdraw his or her consent at any time. The withdrawal of consent shall not affect the lawfulness of processing based on consent before its withdrawal." I'm also not sure if how did Tinder get the data (and yes it's important), Data sharing, 3rd party clauses etc. are also covered by the GDPR. Does the GDPR can improve privacy? yes, but it really isn't the sledge hammer that…

Hmm but do you interpret that to be the act of processing while the consent was in effect is not retrospectively made illegal, or to mean that data shared/obtained while a concent was in effect is still legal to keep after the consent is withdrawn.

You do not have to delete the data once consent is retracted, unless it's the only basis for lawful processing and even then I'm not entirely sure if deletion is mandated as archiving is allowed.

Also (from B&B): "Individuals can require data to be ‘erased’ when there is a problem with the underlying legality of the processing or where they withdraw consent."

This is also a bit vague but it looks like withdrawing consent does not invoke deletion explicitly, it might simply change the lawfulness of processing which might require you to delete data if it's you only use consent as the basis of your LP.

However explicit consent is also not the only way to do "lawful processing" there are other ways to keep and get data.

Tinder can claim lawful processing after a retraction of consent with other allowances under Article 6:

1) processing is necessary in order to protect the vital interests of the data subject or of another natural person;

2) processing is necessary for the purposes of the legitimate interests pursued by the controller or by a third party, except where such interests are overridden by the interests or fundamental rights and freedoms of the data subject which require protection of personal data, in particular where the data subject is a child.

The 2nd one is pretty straight forward this is in essence a third party clause loophole, and the first one can be used by Tinder or the likes specifically in such cases where they would need to give data to the authorities in the such cases as sexual assault or harassment.

There is also a difference with what the GDPR defines as "further processing", which what happens when you want to use information for other purposes than what consent was given for, there has to be a link but this is again vague enough to be on a case by case basis.

"Further processing for archiving purposes in the public interest, scientific or historical research purposes or statistical purposes should be considered to be compatible lawful processing operations."

Bird & Bird has a lot of free information on GDPR and it's real world implications for companies google them :)

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by nnfy »

dragonwriter wrote: post #128
nnfy wrote: post #122

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Did you ever consider that it OK to select people in a way that manifests as privilege? Why is it such a problem to select for culture when determining who can and can not enter your country? Do you mean to imply that it isn't a problem for foreign people to enter a country and effectively change the local ways of life? Especially when the majority of the world's cultures happen to be lived in poverty. And here you'v…

> Did you ever consider that it OK to select people in a way that manifests as privilege? I never said it wasn't. I simply said that your parents being “first generation legal immigrants” does not serve as an effective preemptive rebuttal to accusations of white supremacy or privilege directed at you, because the legal immigration system selects for privilege and includes (and in some sense advantages) whites (and do…

If you're so blind that the literal term "white privilege" is not racist to you, then there is no use in talking.

You've judged an entire race, including myself, and accused us of having some kind of property. Worse still, you use it as justification for taking from those you've determined have this nebulous "privelege".

Its identical to the logic used by white supremacists against Jews, or groups like the panthers and blm. Racism is not ok just because you're a minority and you think some guy had it easier because he's white.

It is so absurd that I have to point this out. That casual anti white racism has become so acceptable.

Look at places like Zimbabwe if you want to see where this could go. We made some 60 years of progress in race relations, and now people like you go around dividing us and screaming about something ad nonsensical as white privilege.

Let me spell it out to you, because you are truly oblivious to your bias. You blanketly characterized a group of people based off their skin color. And let me remind you, you brought whiteness and white privilege into this as though it were relevant. Not me.

I'm not interested in addressing the rest of your comment until you recognize your egregious racism; otherwise your logic is simply inconsistent.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by devdad »

beager wrote: post #45
slamdance wrote: post #7

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I think worst case (best case?) scenario is that they will 'copy' the data they're not supposed to keep off to another country, maybe anonymize it but otherwise the data will still be there. Its too important - even in anonymized form. Its capable of helping sociologists, medical researchers, advertisers, etc... They don't need to know that "James. T. McLovin' of 123 Happy Lane, went on 15 dates and slept with 3 wome…

> and slept with 3 women At first I thought "how would they know that" but it's simple: establish "home" for each of a match pair and identify that both parties' devices are at one or the other "home" during certain hours after matching. In that sense, it's more than just data, it's inference, and that's almost worse as a private company's data could end up libeling you if it leaks!

Uhm. I'd guess they'd be able to pull it from chats easier than what you're suggesting.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by michaelchisari »

doktrin wrote: post #91
emodendroket wrote: post #87

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Well, you could say that, but is it true? Perhaps the post-match experience isn't necessarily very good, and anyway I'm not sure raw quantity maximizes anything normal people care about.

The going stereotype about Tinder is that most men (all but the most attractive) match poorly while most women (all but the least attractive) match well - but that (again, most) women nonetheless experience a lack of communication post-match.

Women have more matches, but a worse experience. Men have less matches, but the matches they get are better.

Which is better, getting 1,000 matches in a day, when 999 of them are people who just swiped right no matter what, or who are downright rude, aggressive or poor communicators?

Or getting 2 meaningful matches in a day from people who actually want to meet you and might be a good fit for a relationship or friendship?

The first is just a bunch of noise with no signal. The second is preferable.

And plus, I'm a guy and I would easily get 3 or 4 matches a day when I was on Tinder. It's not like men are completely ignored on it. I'm hardly a supermodel, but nice pictures and a well-written profile can go a long way on online dating. Plus living in a high-population city.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by kristianp »

It's scary that this data can be kept for years without the user being aware of it. If this data was breached it would be worse than Ashley Madison. I suggest there should be laws that say users should be given the option to delete data older than x months selectable by the user. It seems obvious that sensitive data should not be kept indefinitely after following https://haveibeenpwned.com .

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by emodendroket »

michaelchisari wrote: post #136
doktrin wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The going stereotype about Tinder is that most men (all but the most attractive) match poorly while most women (all but the least attractive) match well - but that (again, most) women nonetheless experience a lack of communication post-match.

Women have more matches, but a worse experience. Men have less matches, but the matches they get are better. Which is better, getting 1,000 matches in a day, when 999 of them are people who just swiped right no matter what, or who are downright rude, aggressive or poor communicators? Or getting 2 meaningful matches in a day from people who actually want to meet you and might be a good fit for a relationship or friend…

I've never used online dating and, barring some kind of calamity, won't ever be dating again, so I'm working only with second-hand experience. But what you say makes some sense for sure.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by emodendroket »

NiklasMort wrote: post #98
emodendroket wrote: post #70

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That seems a little hard to navigate on a dating app.

Why? Lot of people use aliases or nicknames. I never had issues doing that.

I'd have to imagine it'd put some people off.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by goialoq »

devdad wrote: post #135
beager wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and slept with 3 women At first I thought "how would they know that" but it's simple: establish "home" for each of a match pair and identify that both parties' devices are at one or the other "home" during certain hours after matching. In that sense, it's more than just data, it's inference, and that's almost worse as a private company's data could end up libeling you if it leaks!

Uhm. I'd guess they'd be able to pull it from chats easier than what you're suggesting.

? Running a data-analysis job over location history is much easier than trying to do NLP on chats and detecting ghosting.
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