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Re: $782k over asking for a house in Sunnyvale

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$250K/year isn't chump change either. Let alone both having such jobs. Salaries in SV are high but they're not that high for most. At the single income level it's rare to have employees (NOTE: not contractors or business owners) surpass $3-350K. Plus, if you plan on raising a family[1] then you'd have the added costs of a full time nanny as I doubt anyone with a $250K+ job is going to be around much to raise their ki…

You get promoted once at a place like Google or Apple after 4 years and you're making like 250k/yr (as a software person). 300-350k is easily attainable. I think there's a lot of people on HN who are unaware of how high comp is at the big 4/5 tech employers.

You obviously don't work at Apple! ;)

Re: $782k over asking for a house in Sunnyvale

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Working at a huge tech company like Google or Facebook is attractive to me, but not enough to justify spending $2.5M on a smaller house, or 12x more per square foot. And this is just in Phoenix. I know there are other places with tech jobs and much lower cost of living, or better income-to-COL ratios.

Can you extrapolate your thoughts on Phoenix real estate?

I have a 50% bigger single story custom house on a 50% bigger lot in a really convenient location with virtually no traffic in one of the most sought after cities around Phoenix. It's worth $700k.

You can get a decent house in a nice location for $400k in Phoenix itself.

Re: $782k over asking for a house in Sunnyvale

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I do get that, 2.5M for that plot is still a large amount of money. The point is that even a 3.5M for the new house will be a lot, but by virtue of it's location and salaries at Apple it's justifiable

Here is a snapshot of sales of lots that are 10.000 to 20.000 sqft sold in the last 3 months: https://www.redfin.com/city/19457/CA/Sunnyvale/filter/min-lo... 2,5M, with respect to the existing market, doesn't appear to be out of the norm.

It's not a lot relative to Sunnyvale it's a lot relative to the US

The idea being Sunnyvale can justify that with salaries and the employers in the area

Re: $782k over asking for a house in Sunnyvale

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Greetings from New York. You people are fucking insane, for the love of God please consider building some apartment buildings. Cheers.

Several apartment buildings by me in Sunnyvale just went up, if you want to pay $2940 for a studio[0].

In my experience, anything in the South Bay or Peninsula (in a decent area) that is managed by a large company (AvalonBay, Alliance, etc.) is going to start in the 2ks and go up a couple hundred each year.

[0]https://www.481mathilda.com/Apartments/module/property_info/...

Re: $782k over asking for a house in Sunnyvale

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As a tech worker with a large family (this house is too small for my family), I believe I am now officially priced out of every moving to SV. And that's with me being quite wealthy; I have about $1MM in equity in my house, and various other investments and retirement savings.

Re: $782k over asking for a house in Sunnyvale

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In France, there's no such thing as paying over the ask price. You are forced to sell to the first buyer who offers to pay the ask price. I suspect that this is done to prevent prices from rising too quickly.

If experience has taught us nothing (and it hasn't [1]), it's that price controls simply don't work in the long term.

That being said, capital controls are an entirely different beast.

I've seen a variety of property systems in different parts of the world. In Sydney and Melbourne for example, it's hard to work out what anything will cost because the majority of properties are sold at auction. If there's a listed price at all, it doesn't tend to tell you a lot.

I haven't seen the state of Switzerland in more than a decade but from my time there, they seemed to have a pretty reasonable system. It's one that basically discouraged property speculation in that short term sales of property attracted high, even punitive, rates of taxation. This could be close to 100% of the gain if held for under two years.

There's two basic problems with global real estate as I see it right now:

1. Real estate is not a reportable asset under FBAR (the US foreign asset reporting framework to ostensibly clamp down on money laundering). As such, it's becoming pretty clear that real estate in the world's great cities are being used for money laundering; and

2. Real estate is being used to park vast amounts of foreign wealth. This is the case in Vancouver, London, NYC and a host of other places.

Now if a bank takes money there is a lot of requirements placed on the bank, so called KYC (Know Your Customer) frameworks. In most cases this simply isn't the case with real estate. Why not? The true owner is hidden behind an LLC in any high end property sale in NYC.

But (2) is the big one. I'm a firm believer that New York, for example, should be for New Yorkers. Not Russian and Chinese billionaires.

Australia has a regime where property purchases by foreigners need to be passed by the FIRB (Foreign Investment Review Board). This typically means new developments. This is a somewhat flawed system as it means apartment buildings are built for and sold to foreign investors. This is killing inner city living.

In NYC ultra-luxury condos are taxed really low, probably the lowest (as a percent of market value) of any property kind in NYC. The reasons for this are complex and NYC can only do so much to fix it because it's up to New York state to fix it and New York state has a whole bunch of SFH owners who will fight property tax reform tooth and nail.

Property investors in general perform a useful service. Those houses and apartments you rent have to be owned by somebody. Kill that regime and where are people going to live? As an example, before about the 1970s, the UK had a virtually nonexistent private rental market.

So I'm all for:

1. High valued properties taking a bigger share of the tax burden (as a function of property value);

2. Restricting to some degree who can buy property in a city; and

3. Taxing non-working property punitively. By this I mean a property that isn't either occupied (by the owner or a tenant) the majority of the year.

This French system however of forcing someone to take the first offer is ludicrous.

[1]: Reference to https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSimpsons/comments/2w2hjs/lisa_if...

Re: $782k over asking for a house in Sunnyvale

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This might be the case for very high-end houses and flats, but I don't have a lot of experience with those. For mainstream properties, from my experience the market is saturated with people who price above market rates and would rather wait for months than accept a significantly lower price. If you see something that you might consider buying with a 20% discount, you usually don't bother visiting the place. This like…

I think this sounds like what the GP is describing -- they price above market to seek a higher than market offer. That they aren't inundated by offers simply suggests that the demand isn't there to garner that sort of premium. The market for houses in Silicon Valley is severely supply constrained, so sellers are able to demand a premium (that is, they could price well above what they "market" price ought to be and li…

So basically it seems that houses in France are sold via a slow Dutch auction[1], whereas in the US it's an English auction...

It seems that the English auction goes much faster for the seller, whereas in the french house market, the buyer is the one having a fast process since as soon as they find a good home with a price they like, they can just decide to buy.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_auction

Re: $782k over asking for a house in Sunnyvale

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Greetings from New York. You people are fucking insane, for the love of God please consider building some apartment buildings. Cheers.

California state law means that commercial real estate is absurdly more profitable than municipalities then residential. Why would you ever approve a permit for an apartment building, when a much more taxable office building could go on a lot? There are dozens of non cooperating municipalities in the area, and none of them have incentive to allow high-density residential development, because it will just increase demand for office buildings in the neighboring municipalities.

Re: $782k over asking for a house in Sunnyvale

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Greetings from New York. You people are fucking insane, for the love of God please consider building some apartment buildings. Cheers.

Someone who wants a house is not really willing to have an apartment. Someone who is ready to put this amount of money in a house is definitely not willing to get an apartment.

Yes, but some people would prefer to have an apartment and save some money, and that would overall create less demand for the available homes.

End result: people who want apartments get them, people who want houses still get them and pay less for them too.

Re: $782k over asking for a house in Sunnyvale

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>"There are an incredible number of Apple employees worth tens of millions of dollars that would love to not commute" Is there really? Can you quantify what an "incredible number of employees" is here? Thousands, 10s of thousands? Do you have a citation for that statement? Why would so many people worth 10s of millions of dollar be competing for the same properties/ Also why are so many people worth 10s of millions o…

I don't know how much jobs Apple has now but the new Campus is "huge". Like really gigantic. Apple is a wealthy tech company and even if it is not paying high salaries, I expect lots of employees have made a killing from stock options in the last few years.

Yes they have a new campus and yes Apple is rich but that does not mean their employees are rich. How do you imagine employees "made a killing"? Do you think that Apple just hands out stock grants to everyone? Company stock is an asset like anything else, why would would they just be giving it away?
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