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Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by Lramseyer »

fortythirteen wrote: post #38
hacker_9 wrote: post #10

Honestly can't see why I'd use this - I have all the professional grade IDEs I need, why do I need one that is written in JS, is slower and consumes 5x more memory? Not to mention IDEs already have their own extension stores too. This seems like an 'IDE-lite', which doesn't make much sense in a world where professional grade IDEs are free.

I wish they'd put this sort of manpower towards fixing Electron.

Or you know, move away from it entirely. But in all seriousness, I actually really like Atom as a text editor, and wish it didn't consume so many resources to run.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by noir_lord »

tym0 wrote: post #113
noir_lord wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intellij Ultimate costs me £14 a month, with the plugins (which makes it equivalent to Phpstorm, PyCharm, Rubymine and Webstorm) thats less than I spend on coffee in two weeks, it's insane value however you look at it. That said I still spend a chunk of time (maybe 30%) in vscode because for somethings I prefer it (it's git support with git lens is incredible) and for TypeScript it's comparable to Intellij with the a…

I keep seeing people writing about these "cheap" intellij subscriptions but on the website it's 400 pounds a year.

https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/#edition=personal

119 for Intellij 199 for everything.

I didn't need everything since Intellij with plugins is everything (for the stuff I do).

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by noir_lord »

charriu wrote: post #128
tym0 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep seeing people writing about these "cheap" intellij subscriptions but on the website it's 400 pounds a year.

For a company, yes. Individual license is much cheaper, but the devs need to pay for it themselves.

Exactly this, work would pay for it but I didn't ask, I already had a personal subscription and I use it at least as much outside of work as I do at work.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by noir_lord »

pjmlp wrote: post #122
tym0 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep seeing people writing about these "cheap" intellij subscriptions but on the website it's 400 pounds a year.

I really would like to see this utopian world where all other professions outside IT also get their tools for free.

My grandfather was a master carpenter, he had a saying I've always liked "If you use something for more than an hour a day buy the best you can afford".

I've never minded paying for developer tools as long as I could afford them, lots of professionals spend a lot more than we do on tools/professional development.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by jetti »

hacker_9 wrote: post #10

Honestly can't see why I'd use this - I have all the professional grade IDEs I need, why do I need one that is written in JS, is slower and consumes 5x more memory? Not to mention IDEs already have their own extension stores too. This seems like an 'IDE-lite', which doesn't make much sense in a world where professional grade IDEs are free.

I don't use Atom but I do use Visual Studio Code (which is also Electron based). I use it because there are no real IDEs for Elixir and navigation is amazing. It is also lightweight (compared to JetBrains' IDEs). Another big plus is that it runs on Linux.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by Viper007Bond »

slewis wrote: post #130
reificator wrote: post #123

Still playing catchup with VSCode, but without the integrated debugger and all the rest of its fancy tooling. Is it still mind-numbingly slow as well? I can't imagine switching back to Atom at this point, or even Sublime. For individual projects I might use IntelliJ or Visual Studio again, but outside of that VSCode is my exclusive editor for all languages for the foreseeable future. I'm very impressed by what Micros…

Can you comment on when/why you might use IntelliJ/VS over VSCode? I've recently switched to VSCode from vim, and haven't really used full IDEs since college (except for small amounts of mobile app development).

When working with large projects, a full blown IDE can really make your life easier. I use PhpStorm for my main work and I'm just in it all day. However VSCode is what I use when I just need to quickly edit something as it's still smarter than a dumb editor.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by brlewis »

jbob2000 wrote: post #6
thrillgore wrote: post #2

I hope they address memory consumption at some point too.

Yep, I was using Atom for 6 months, I wanted to give a solid go. But now I am back to sublime text. I can't really put my finger on it, but sublime text is just snappy and reliable in ways that Atom isn't. Got really tired of Atom lagging because I'm typing too fast, got tired of lockups and hanging. VS Code has very simillar issues too. It was a nice experiment (can we do editors in HTML/JS?), but I'm convinced nati…

What release of Atom did you use? I'm curious whether newer releases actually feel better.

I'm an emacs user myself, but am looking at whether to recommend Atom to others.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by bitwize »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #74
yorwba wrote: post #69

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It's been years since I last used an IDE, but in my experience, they come with huge toolbars stuffed full of menus to open wizards with tons of options. The learning curve is just as steep. Their advantage is that they provide lots of automatic features like spellcheck and autocomplete out-of-the-box, whereas you have to set these up yourself for Emacs/Vim.

I think that's why people are talking up what they see as an alternative to the monolithic IDE: the lightweight text editor with support for extensions. I know Atom isn't particularly lightweight in terms of memory usage, but it is in terms of functionality.

> I think that's why people are talking up what they see as an alternative to the monolithic IDE: the lightweight text editor with support for extensions.

Which is what vim and emacs, relative to IntelliJ, VS, VSCode, and Atom, are.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by wolfgke »

pjmlp wrote: post #118
kllrnohj wrote: post #78

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IntelliJ is expensive if you want languages not covered by the free edition (like JavaScript), though, and even if you pay for it some things are frustratingly distinct such as if you have a Java/C++ app you need two different "IDEs" (CLion + IntelliJ), and you need to then juggle between those windows. Android Studio is able to work with both even though IntelliJ Ultimate isn't (why, Jetbrains, why!?), but getting A…

Expensive?!? It is a bargain compared with what I used to pay for programming tools during the 90's. In other professions people care to buy their tools.

> In other professions people care to buy their tools.

JetBrains' tools have to be rented.

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