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Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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I'm thinking of switching my business email to protonmail from gmail. Any users like it ? The whole google memo revealed google employees are not as trustworthy as I thought. All the social media talk of blacklists, and inquisition tactics from some of upper management is bad for business. I've already gotten emails from clients asking me to change their business google services to something else (anything else in th…

I've not seen anyone else talking about mailbox.org. I've been using them for a while after moving away from Fastmail and I'm loving it. Cheap and they're recommeded by https://www.privacytools.io/ .

Their service may be good enough but they are hardly investing enough into their product at the moment. mailbox.org is also not a core product of theirs. Just read through the forums (mostly in German); there are basic features/aspects missing you'd expect with a paid service nowadays like automated DKIM next to bug fixes needed around the web interface, which also can't compare to Fastmail's or Google's mail UI in terms of efficiency and usefulness – it's clunky: consequences of being fully dependent on foreign upstreams, I guess. Plus there's plenty of downtime. And that's for prices similar to Fastmail and GSuite when looking at similarly featured tiers (GSuite Basic – Fastmail professional – mailbox.org Mail XXL plan).

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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I've played around with ProtonMail in the past but never made the switch. I see now that there is a one password mode that seems more convenient than my legacy 2 password mode. I already have 2FA setup. Given that, is one password mode safe enough or are you still using 2 passwords?

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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>"You can now get secure email anonymously" How exactly... by paying with Bitcoin? And this is coming from a security-conscious company? Unless I mined the Bitcoins myself, and never spent the remaining 12.45 BTC that I mined (after presumably spending 0.05 BTC on protonmail)... it is far from "Anonymous". If they started accepting Zcash, however...

> Zcash

Monero would be a better option.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Disappointed that there's no mention of a discount. Cryptocurrency payments will save them a lot of money. Web/email hosting is an industry with a high risk if fraud.

> Cryptocurrency payments will save them a lot of money ...until they convert it to cash?

The reason it will save them money is because there are no "chargebacks" or reverts with bitcoin.

You get $10 worth of bitcoin in your account and it's confirmed, you have $10 of bitcoin, and nobody can take it back.

That, plus the lack of a 3% fee (although there might be one for their bitcoin processor) means a good amount of savings for some.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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I could argue the merits of the ringsize but it would be moot because it's being bumped to 10 in September. So I will just leave this here as a note that the argument that a ringsize of 3 is not very anonymous will be moot in September for future readers.

Even with ringsize 10, it does not help if someone does BTC->XMR->BTC with the same exchange (or an exchange that shares records) without adding some XMR->XMR churn steps inbetween. My future freedom depends on me getting this right, so I am a bit sensitive on this topic. It took me a while to cut through the fluff and figure out how to churn enough to make it safe. Fortunately I also used multiple Bitcoin mixers on…

I'm with you on the "my future freedom depends on getting this right". Im in that same boat.

Personally I can see someone obviously paying me in BTC. But I will only send out XMR. It's a one way street with me regarding BTC.

Time is going to tell wether we retain our freedom or not by betting on XMR.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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How does an open source software stack stop employees from reading content?

When they receive an email, they encrypt it with your public key. The private key is stored on their server encrypted with a passphrase only you know. Assuming they don't backdoor their client to find out your passphrase, or log emails as they receive them, you're fairly safe from having an employee browse through your emails.

Has anyone audited that system and implementation? If not, can you really trust that there's no backdoor?

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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More "progress" from ProtonMail, while they still provide no way to export emails in bulk. They recommend you forward every individual email or print it. The Export feature has been an open request since before March 2015. Another feature which would give users a way to get their mail out of PM is the ability to check mail from a client like Outlook or Thunderbird. That has been an open feature request since before F…

Try to relax a bit. It is good for your health. :) Both of those features are under development. If you would like to see them sooner rather than later, perhaps you know some great programmers that you could recommend to careers@protonmail.ch? Or, you could share ProtonMail's Careers page: https://protonmail.com/careers ProtonMail is hiring!

And now I'm closing my account. Not the way to respond to a valid customer concern. Good to know this is how you treat customers on a premium service. I'll share it with other customers so they know.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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In practice? The odds are pretty likely. Most people have poor opsec, and you can uniquely identify anyone with fewer than 33 bits of data.

Let's test your claim. Here's a transaction between many addresses. How many can you identify? https://blockchain.info/tx/5e3f8e728e7a9c14231806de537ae6177...

Let's make it easier: how many of the transactions in the most recent block (as of writing) can be tied to individuals?

https://blockchain.info/block/0000000000000000005d8e91c8b1b3...

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