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Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by erikpukinskis »

noir_lord wrote: post #103
burkaman wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This question applies to every organization in the history of the world. It's logically impossible to design any kind of social system that can't be ruined by people.

Benevolent AI maybe? More Iain Banks "Culture", that's the universe I'd choose out of all sci-fi to live in I think.

An AI would need to live a human life in a human body in order to understand what "benevolence to humans" means, and such an experience would make it functionally equivalent to a human with a cloud prosthesis.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by CaptSpify »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #114
CaptSpify wrote: post #104

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> moderate personal behaviors to tune macro results between social harmony and everyone being a low level sociopath. I guess I'm not sure what you mean by that. examples maybe?

At the lowest levels, balancing selfishness, vanity, the need for self-actualization, and the expression of empathy and compassion. On one extreme, you have the Dalai Lama, the latest Pope, and Bernie Sanders. The other: the Kardashians, Kanye West, and Martin Shkreli.

I guess that I've seen less moderation of personal behaviors via these mechanisms in our current society over my lifetime, and I'm not sure that's a big problem. I'd argue that most of the peer pressure and social moors society (especially local society) pushes are typically a net negative, and as we grow globally, we're realizing that they don't usually make sense.

NOTE: I'm mostly talking out of my ass here as I've never really thought much about this subject before. I'd gladly welcome new ways of seeing this issue and facts that counter my view.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by toomuchtodo »

CaptSpify wrote: post #132
toomuchtodo wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the lowest levels, balancing selfishness, vanity, the need for self-actualization, and the expression of empathy and compassion. On one extreme, you have the Dalai Lama, the latest Pope, and Bernie Sanders. The other: the Kardashians, Kanye West, and Martin Shkreli.

I guess that I've seen less moderation of personal behaviors via these mechanisms in our current society over my lifetime, and I'm not sure that's a big problem. I'd argue that most of the peer pressure and social moors society (especially local society) pushes are typically a net negative, and as we grow globally, we're realizing that they don't usually make sense. NOTE: I'm mostly talking out of my ass here as I've…

> I'd argue that most of the peer pressure and social moors society (especially local society) pushes are typically a net negative, and as we grow globally, we're realizing that they don't usually make sense.

It seems to me that Instagram, Facebook, and Snapchat are causing extreme narcissism to embed itself in younger cohorts, along with workers being more mobile causing family units to fall apart. The shitty parts of human behavior are being exploited by tech companies for obscene profits with no governance of their actions.

Data shows that loneliness kills, but we shun extended family living arrangements in the US (you still live with your parens/grandparents?). Data shows that social media networks trigger the same parts of your brain as cocaine, and are just as addictive.

Just my two cents.

Social media narcissism: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=social+media+narcissism

Health risks with loneliness: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_exa...

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by sqeaky »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #131
noir_lord wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Benevolent AI maybe? More Iain Banks "Culture", that's the universe I'd choose out of all sci-fi to live in I think.

An AI would need to live a human life in a human body in order to understand what "benevolence to humans" means, and such an experience would make it functionally equivalent to a human with a cloud prosthesis.

Do we need to live in the body of dog to understand "benevolence to dogs"?

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by bluthru »

learc83 wrote: post #124
bluthru wrote: post #108

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First, she was just reporting on it. Second, she states that she hasn't given any Patreon money to Defend Europe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtImwK5TI4g

This was a quote from Lauren Southern. "If the politicians won't stop the boats, we'll stop the boats… and we'll be back with more boats..." She was arrested by the Italian Coastguard for attempting to block a boat, she wasn't just reporting that someone else was doing it. She was clearly participating.

So you can't inhibit human trafficking? Was she charged with anything?

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by AmIFirstToThink »

dgfgfdagasdfgfa wrote: post #30
fhood wrote: post #23

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One of the most important implications being that with services like this, creating content that a few people love is now as viable as creating content that many people like.

Of course, this also means you likely have much less in common with the person next to you.

Interesting.

Who gets to decide what commons we all should share?

Record labels and publishers?

Youtube, facebook and twitter are already exercising undue influence in terms of algo changes to suggested videos or auto-play videos.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/1/16072840/youtube-placing-l...

It's a marketplace of ideas. Let them compete. Google deciding what's good and what's not is not fair to the people who want to decide for themselves.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by nostrebored »

eropple wrote: post #127
needz wrote: post #119

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> The alt-right is literal-not-figurative fascism What gives you this impression?

I can give you fourteen words. Or eighty-eight, if you'd rather.

To anyone who doesn't agree with you from the outset, you seem pretty incoherent right now.

Why are they white nationalists? Because they're Nazis!

Why are they Nazis? Because they're white nationalists!

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by Veratyr »

laurieg wrote: post #71
pillowkusis wrote: post #7

I have seen so many content creators go full time and create awesome work because Patreon gives them a format to incentivize their followers to pay them. The economics are beautiful — turns out just 1,000 people (a pittance on internet mass media websites) donating $5 a month will totally change the way you run your life. And even better, these artists are independent in a way no artist has ever been before. You’re n…

I patreon , it allows me to support podcasts and youtube producers that really wouldn't get the light of day otherwise. That said, patreon is centralised. What happens if you're a creator and that $2000 a month stops coming from patreon? I trust and believe in the now, but who knows where they'll be 5 or 10 years. PS. Patreon, please make a Japanese version of your site!

> PS. Patreon, please make a Japanese version of your site!

So you know, https://enty.jp/ is largely this. Some of the creators I follow there are moving to Patreon though, interestingly.

The Japanese creators I see (mostly visual artists) also don't seem like super huge fans of the idea of digital content, which is what Western folks on Patreon largely expect. Japanese creators seem to like selling books and such at conventions and rarely sell their books digitally, which is a bummer for someone who doesn't want to pay international postage. I have seen some change this though (the ones who moved to Patreon).

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by bluthru »

anigbrowl wrote: post #122
bluthru wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, she was just reporting on it. Second, she states that she hasn't given any Patreon money to Defend Europe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtImwK5TI4g

The whole point of money is that it's fungible. Saying there's no connection between incoming and outgoing revenue is is kinda nonsensical.

So in other words, corporations should be able to prevent any monetary transaction if they assume you're spending money on something they don't approve of? The only option is cash through the mail?
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