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Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

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The Raspberry Pi isn't open source. Broadcom only releases their firmware as binaries.

I know, it is a concern, the hardware is as open and there is work afoot to release a completely open source pi, not sure how far they have got

No the hardware is not open, there are no released schematics or layouts, and you cannot buy the chips from Broadcom.

Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

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Too bad that Windows 10 barely usable on itself. Every application looks different (yes they used to blame Linux/X11 on that one). It has two control panels (or three maybe), two web browsers shipped with it. Takes more than a minute to boot on a new and pretty formidable laptop. This is the fresh factory install. Can freeze the desktop while apparently doing something under the hood (installing updates? scanning mal…

Barely usable is dramatic, but the multiple interfaces to do seemingly the same thing is annoying and I agree makes usability a challenge. What differentiates when a setting is in the old Control Panel versus the new one? What's the difference between Edge and Internet Explorer, and why is my browser sometimes a traditional window and sometimes a full screen, touch focused app (this is a gaming PC hooked to a TV, so…

You already know the answer to all of these questions, stop posturing. Yes, Microsoft kept old versions of IE and Control Panel for compatibility - but you don't get to access them unless you really want to.

As for full screen browser, touch-optimised IE was in Windows 8. It is not in Windows 10. Your rant is 2 years out of date.

Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

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>I am always surprised to hear these statements. No kidding. I use it every day nearly all day and I can count the number of times I've had the OS itself get in my way on 1 hand.

> I can count the number of times I've had the OS itself get in my way on 1 hand I could overflow both hands just counting two Explorer things: (1) trying to figure out where MS put a setting/option if it's not on Ribbon & (2) trying to use any advanced search operators.

I usually grep (powershell Get-ChildItem | Select-String) if I'm trying to do anything crazy in searching files.

Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

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Too bad that Windows 10 barely usable on itself. Every application looks different (yes they used to blame Linux/X11 on that one). It has two control panels (or three maybe), two web browsers shipped with it. Takes more than a minute to boot on a new and pretty formidable laptop. This is the fresh factory install. Can freeze the desktop while apparently doing something under the hood (installing updates? scanning mal…

Agreed. No "hacker" would ever use or recommend Windows. It's awful for development, and even microsoft agrees, which is why they created a Linux sub-system. Why would a so called "hacker" choose to use an OS that's slow, has horrible update policies, horrible privacy standards, injects ads into the main programs and start menu, requires anti-virus, etc? Also, the idea that Windows has good drivers and Linux doesn't…

> Why would a so called "hacker" choose to use an OS that's slow, has horrible update policies, horrible privacy standards, injects ads into the main programs and start menu, requires anti-virus, etc?

I don't know, but that's why I use Windows 10 instead of Ubuntu.

Please back up your polemics with facts. I don't run antivirus on Windows and never have; it's the same fundamental security model as desktop Linux, and if you don't go around installing programs from untrustworthy places (whether download.com or SourceForge), you don't need it. And at a more-than-first-order level, Windows' security model is far better.

I have patches in the Linux kernel and I strongly recommend that someone looking for a secure desktop OS use Windows instead of Linux.

Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

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Microsoft is playing a fantastic Linux game with putting Linux userspace on the Windows desktop where drivers and UI are far better than the Linux drivers and UI and putting SQL Server on Linux server where the Linux kernel is much stronger. They know their strengths and weaknesses and not afraid to play to them. Here's my writeup on setting up Windows 10 as a long, long time Linux user https://github.com/chx/chx.git…

Thats if you dont mind the hugely privacy invasive win10 environment to begin with.

Good point. Let me switch to Ubuntu, which definitely doesn't have any privacy invasions in its desktop environment....

Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

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Too bad that Windows 10 barely usable on itself. Every application looks different (yes they used to blame Linux/X11 on that one). It has two control panels (or three maybe), two web browsers shipped with it. Takes more than a minute to boot on a new and pretty formidable laptop. This is the fresh factory install. Can freeze the desktop while apparently doing something under the hood (installing updates? scanning mal…

Agreed. No "hacker" would ever use or recommend Windows. It's awful for development, and even microsoft agrees, which is why they created a Linux sub-system. Why would a so called "hacker" choose to use an OS that's slow, has horrible update policies, horrible privacy standards, injects ads into the main programs and start menu, requires anti-virus, etc? Also, the idea that Windows has good drivers and Linux doesn't…

Why are there no ads on my Start menu? I'm also quite happy developing software with it.

Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

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AJAX ruined the web, yeah.

That doesn't have any bearing on what I said, not everything Microsoft did was bad or useless, their policy to crush innovation was the problem

Quit living in the past.

Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

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Too bad that Windows 10 barely usable on itself. Every application looks different (yes they used to blame Linux/X11 on that one). It has two control panels (or three maybe), two web browsers shipped with it. Takes more than a minute to boot on a new and pretty formidable laptop. This is the fresh factory install. Can freeze the desktop while apparently doing something under the hood (installing updates? scanning mal…

> Too bad that Windows 10 barely usable on itself. I am always surprised to hear these statements. Hundreds of millions of people use W10, so it must be usable to some extent. I think it's also quite rare that the system stops for 5 minutes -- actually I've never seen that happening.

Well...I'm a Windows user since around 1992 and have done pretty much all my coding typing on a keyboard connected to a Windows machine. However, I have to say that in recent years I have experienced similar hassles to the parent -- general unreliability, sleep/resume problems, machine just won't resume from sleep, endless WiFi driver bugs, touch screens that randomly stop working, pens that randomly stop working, and on and on. Initially (3-4 years ago) I assumed this was all due to lazy hardware OEMs not fixing their driver bugs so I switched to Microsoft hardware (Surfacen) but to be honest the buggy unreliability didn't change much.

I don't use Macs so I can't say if the grass is greener there. I do have a feeling that if I were using Linux on the laptop it would be much worse than Windows, but that's just a hunch based on my historical experience with Linux and device drivers.

I use Linux servers extensively and all my code runs on Linux in production fwiw. Linux on the server is almost at Solaris-level reliability today. The comments above relate to desktop/laptop machines.

Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

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Too bad that Windows 10 barely usable on itself. Every application looks different (yes they used to blame Linux/X11 on that one). It has two control panels (or three maybe), two web browsers shipped with it. Takes more than a minute to boot on a new and pretty formidable laptop. This is the fresh factory install. Can freeze the desktop while apparently doing something under the hood (installing updates? scanning mal…

Windows 10 is usable in every aspect. Boot speed is pretty good and doesnt freeze like that. Check your hardware if that is a fresh factory install. You are doing something wrong. They are not common problems. They are yours.

I feel I have to counter this. I have seen similar problems on multiple different machines. I know they are not "my" problems. I've been a Windows user and supporter for decades but my experience in the past 5 years is that it unfortunately doesn't "just work" these days.

Also: your recommendation for resolving reliability issues is to reinstall the OS? Yes I know the historical reasons for saying this, but in 2017 if the user has to re-install the OS to get it to work I suggest the problem lies somewhere other than in the user.

Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

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At our place, we use ServiceStack with OrmLite, which runs well on .net core and plays nicely with MySQL. You can switch between SQL Server and MySQL by changing just one line of code.

So it is worth $250/seat + $175/yr renewal? I haven't looked at much ServiceStack stuff because of the cost.

Well I'm the only dev at the moment so I really just need an indie dev license for myself, and it's licensed per developer, not per project etc.

I think it's worth it.

In my opinion, anybody working on .net ends up spending a lot of time writing what is essentially their own version of ServiceStack, on Web API.

It has a lot of features that you would end up writing anyway, spend months doing so, and would probably do less well. It basically gives you a massive head start.

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