What about torture or murder? and I'd also argue many news sites should be 18+ too. So you're gonna need age verification to watch people engaging in a natural sexual act but if you want to see the Zeta's hacking off a rival's head with a chainsaw, go right ahead. Madness!
UK plans age verification for porn websites from 2018
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#132I would like to present to the court exhibit 1: The EU/ or UK "Cookie Laws" AKA "ePrivacy directive." In the months before and after its implementation there was a lot of discussion around the (vast) grey areas in the laws. After some months, the internet has coalesced on answers. All sites need to implement a nag screen for unknown users, in order to get "informed consent". This consent will be stored as a cookie an…
>All sites need to implement a nag screen for unknown users It wasn't all sites though, it was just sites that use third-party tracking and things like that, you didn't need a nag screen if the cookie was part of the functionality of the site eg a website with a login screen[1]. Everyone just copied everyone else with adding a nag screen for all sites because nobody actually read the rules. [1] http://ec.europa.eu/ip…
What you say is true only for session cookies. From the linked document:
> first‑party persistent cookies DO require informed consent.Re: UK plans age verification for porn websites from 2018
#133I would like to present to the court exhibit 1: The EU/ or UK "Cookie Laws" AKA "ePrivacy directive." In the months before and after its implementation there was a lot of discussion around the (vast) grey areas in the laws. After some months, the internet has coalesced on answers. All sites need to implement a nag screen for unknown users, in order to get "informed consent". This consent will be stored as a cookie an…
The most bonkers thing about the "EU cookie law" is that it could have been much more effectively implemented by simply requiring browser makers to get informed consent on cookies. This would have been both more effective (because rogue websites wouldn't have been able to avoid it) and less annoying for users, because consent could be given using a consistent UI for every website. Not to mention the many hours of los…
I agree, though in that case I'm not sure the UK/EU legislature would have been needed at all. It also doesn't address the part of the problem that they were trying to address in the first place, limiting cookie use to where/when it is most essential.
Realistically, you can see if informed consent is being achieved if the number of sites with ad/tracking software installed drops. "would you like us to keep tabs on you on behalf of FB's advertising platform?"
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
>All sites need to implement a nag screen for unknown users It wasn't all sites though, it was just sites that use third-party tracking and things like that, you didn't need a nag screen if the cookie was part of the functionality of the site eg a website with a login screen[1]. Everyone just copied everyone else with adding a nag screen for all sites because nobody actually read the rules. [1] http://ec.europa.eu/ip…
What you say is true only for session cookies. From the linked document: > first‑party persistent cookies DO require informed consent.
True, but the "remember me" checkbox is sufficient consent:
> Persistent login cookies which store an authentication token across browser sessions are not exempted under CRITERION B. This is an important distinction because the user may not be immediately aware of the fact that closing the browser will not clear their authentication settings. They may return to the website under the assumption that they are anonymous whilst in fact they are still logged in to the service. The commonly seen method of using a checkbox and a simple information note such as “remember me (uses cookies)” next to the submit form would be an appropriate means of gaining consent therefore negating the need to apply an exemption in this case.
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#136What about torture or murder? and I'd also argue many news sites should be 18+ too. So you're gonna need age verification to watch people engaging in a natural sexual act but if you want to see the Zeta's hacking off a rival's head with a chainsaw, go right ahead. Madness!
There should be no age restriction on reality. The censored images in news are an affront.
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#137This sounds silly, but the existing situation is also silly. Kids aren't allowed to go to pornographic movies in cinemas. What's the point of those restrictions, which people have been happy with for probably 100 years, when they are allowed to do all that online? It sounds like the law should be harmonized one way or another - open everything up or close everything down, otherwise it's pointless.
I'm not sure that analogy holds; the Internet is just such a different thing from cinemas. Still, I'm sure no-one actually has a problem with the concept of preventing under-18s from watching porn online, it's the implementation that's the tricky bit. For example, no-one has a problem with cinema restrictions, but they might do if you had to hand over credit card details to watch a film, and if it were still triviall…
> Still, I'm sure no-one actually has a problem with the concept of preventing under-18s from watching porn online
I'm sure lots of under-18s would have a problem with that. The vast majority is unlikely to accidentally end up on a porn site.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
My wife studied psychology recently, and yes, it's a huge problem. There really are teenagers who think that gang bangs are the norm, and that they have to participate. I thought she was joking when my wife told me some of the stories (case studies actually), but these things really happen if you get exposed to this when really young, and nobody bothers to correct your views.
But this is not pornography-specific. This applies just as well to views about healthy relationships, self respect, food consumption, alcohol and drug use, financial discipline, world views and whatnot. Teens need to be educated so they can form an informed and nuanced view of the world. Not sure you should ban all teens from McDonalds because some parents can't get the message across that fast-food is unhealthy. In…
It's a really hard topic to navigate; on the one hand you don't want your 12yo daughter to watch disgusting and mostly misogynic videos, and on the other hand you have freedom of speech and net neutrality. The thing is: Do I have to tell my kids at age 8 that fisting/gang rapes/... are not how you really do it, and tell them what it's really all about? Or should I wait until age 11? Or will they come asking (I doubt it)? What if their friends already showed them at age 6 at school, is the damage already done then?
And yeah, 6yo do have access to porn if they can read/write by then.
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#139I look forward to all teenagers learning what a vpn is and how to use one.
I for one applaud the government for this brave and unparalleled step towards getting teenagers more involved in tech.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
My wife studied psychology recently, and yes, it's a huge problem. There really are teenagers who think that gang bangs are the norm, and that they have to participate. I thought she was joking when my wife told me some of the stories (case studies actually), but these things really happen if you get exposed to this when really young, and nobody bothers to correct your views.
I'm sure those cases exist, but most likely are not the norm. Almost everyone understands that action movies are not how things work in real life, though is true that influences us to a certain degree. I think that the solution should be more acknowledge that fact (fiction is not real, and that's ok) and build from there. If we pretend people to have as only source of information the movies, we'll have a problem.
I don't have the numbers ready, but neither do you.