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Proposed “Internet Freedom Act” permanently guts net neutrality authority
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#132It's hard for me to empathize (in the literal sense of the word) with someone who dislikes net neutrality. What're the reasons / justifications for why the current laws and rules are wrong or insufficient?
I generally just don't see the point is making certain business models illegal when there wasn't anyhing that bad going on before the net neutrality laws were passed. Tmobile is certainly violating net neutrality with it's binge on and free music streaming features. But it's generally good for the consumer. All the arguments for net nuetrality sounds like slippery slope fallacies to me. "They'll block everything exce…
Comcast effectively blocked BitTorrent and exempted its own video service from data caps. T-Mobile throttled video that didn't participate in BingeOn. AT&T blocked FaceTime.
How to regulate operating systems, search engines, or social networks, if at all, are entirely separate questions. Most American households have only one option for high-speed Internet service; nobody has to move to a different city to use a different search engine.
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> It's also because they are really bad at providing it. What makes you think that? A huge chunk of an ISPs' operating expenses go to paying people to move dirt around, and the metal and plastic they put in the dirt. How do you expect to disrupt that?
Second hand experience. My father owned and operated a small tv + ISP (cable when I was young, Internet by the time I was in middle school), and my uncle still operates his. Both have or had ~50k subscribers. My father sold his system to Comcast and worked for them for a while before quitting, frustrated by inefficiencies and dissatisfied customers, and his experience is the reason my Uncle is holding out from sellin…
I ran an ISP (then Chicago's most popular) in the mid-1990s, and even then, the whole enterprise mostly relied on infrastructure provided by telcos, who were required to lease us POPs under fair and reasonable terms.
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Do you have a source that shows their misuse of funds? I don't believe it to be wrong, I have parroted this fact many times myself. But I just realised that I don't have any evidence of it either.
Different topic, but on the legal side of the law you'll find that most exclusive franchise agreements by an ISP contain something to the effect of "we will pay the city/county $A, give them an ongoing amount of $B/yr (and are not allowed to break that out as a line item), and perform C, D, and E at no cost." All these agreements are public. Go down to your local city hall or courthouse and ask for a copy of the fran…
Franchise agreements can't be exclusive anymore. Officials at any level can still play favorites, of course.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
Second hand experience. My father owned and operated a small tv + ISP (cable when I was young, Internet by the time I was in middle school), and my uncle still operates his. Both have or had ~50k subscribers. My father sold his system to Comcast and worked for them for a while before quitting, frustrated by inefficiencies and dissatisfied customers, and his experience is the reason my Uncle is holding out from sellin…
I ran an ISP (then Chicago's most popular) in the mid-1990s, and even then, the whole enterprise mostly relied on infrastructure provided by telcos, who were required to lease us POPs under fair and reasonable terms.
lol seriously thomas what haven't you done? always finding new ways to impress me...
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
I ran an ISP (then Chicago's most popular) in the mid-1990s, and even then, the whole enterprise mostly relied on infrastructure provided by telcos, who were required to lease us POPs under fair and reasonable terms.
lol seriously thomas what haven't you done? always finding new ways to impress me...
I'm not impressive, I'm just older than you are, and I got a really early start.
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You haven't answered the question as to why people who live in rural areas, where there likely wouldn't be competition anyway, don't deserve net neutrality. And I'm sorry, but if the only reason you're giving internet "for free" is so that you can violate net neutrality, then you are not doing anyone a service.
They don't deserve net neutrality if they choose to do business with an ISP that doesn't give it to them. You say that they don't have a choice because there's no competition; I say there's no competition because government regulations raise entry barriers and remove profit motives. > And I'm sorry, but if the only reason you're giving internet "for free" is so that you can violate net neutrality, then you are not do…
No. Your argument completely falls flat when you ignore the fact that most people do not have choice for their ISP. Because you keep ignoring this, and saying it's the fault of people who had nothing to do with it, I have to believe you are not discussing in good faith.
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Wait patiently for the inevitable correction. E.g. innovation like this and other things we can't even imagine yet: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/17/elon-musk...
Let's ban all regulation. You can't imagine what wonderful things I could achieve if I could just help myself to your capital. I know that sounds like a bad deal for you but market forces will prove me right in the end, just wait and see.
You stop too short. Ban all government. Then those who are already invested in the strongest companies win.
Rule by populism -- forget meritocracy or any notion of innovation.
Trump and his ilk don't have enough. They need more.
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He obviously is intelligent if he has made it this far, but taking everything he says, I can't regard him as more than an idiot. He says contradictory things. He says he supports an idea but doesn't support the act of enforcing it. His apparent ideology is in direct conflict with his actions. He either fundamentally misunderstands the situation, is majorly corrupt, or is simply malicious (which I doubt).
> He says he supports an idea but doesn't support the act of enforcing it. I support the idea of being faithful in your marriage, but I'm 100% opposed to the federal government enforcing this. How is that contradictory?
Businesses are not people and do not deserve the same freedoms granted to individuals.
When you give a private entity the right to trample on individual rights, the individual's rights are weakened.
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They don't deserve net neutrality if they choose to do business with an ISP that doesn't give it to them. You say that they don't have a choice because there's no competition; I say there's no competition because government regulations raise entry barriers and remove profit motives. > And I'm sorry, but if the only reason you're giving internet "for free" is so that you can violate net neutrality, then you are not do…
No. Your argument completely falls flat when you ignore the fact that most people do not have choice for their ISP. Because you keep ignoring this, and saying it's the fault of people who had nothing to do with it, I have to believe you are not discussing in good faith.
m80, if there's only one ice cream truck that drives through my neighborhood and he won't stock mint chocolate chip, the correct solution to this problem is not to petition the government to make a law requiring all ice cream flavors to be stocked equally.