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A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

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Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

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You can never morally justify war against civilians, sorry.

Civilians are responsible for their governments. Alas, this is a hard truth that many civilians do not wish to be reminded about.

Do you have a coherent argument for this?

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Its only a different level because of the amount of control the NSA has over the technological infrastructure, and the degree of force that can be brought to bear - through multiple independent factions of the US military-industrial infrastructure - upon those whom the establishment deem, through surveillance, to be un-savoury. You probably haven't been paying attention, but the US Gov't make dissidents disappear all…

Are we really comparing the DPRK with the US? This thread has jumped the shark. Anyone in the US could be a dissident -- it's called the first amendment. Unless you are from the People's Republic of Fantasia, there's a good chance your country isn't a shining example of freedom either. But, it seems that the fashion on HN is to complain about the US at every opportunity -- even within an article about North Korea. Th…

The point is that the USA is not the shining beacon of moral authority that it, and its peoples, claim it to be - and before we go off launching yet another military-industrial misadventure to 'solve' the problems of the world, we might ought to use some of those resources locally, at home, in our own - free, so far - societies, in order to improve the lives of our fellow humans.

It makes not one iota of difference if the human lives we improve are in Kaesong, North Korean, or Jackson, Indiana. Does it? Then, start at home: get rid of the NSA. Close Guantanomo. Cancel privatized prison systems that incarcerate more prisoners in the world than any other nation.

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

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post #131

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Civilians are responsible for their governments. Alas, this is a hard truth that many civilians do not wish to be reminded about.

Do you have a coherent argument for this?

From whom do the governments of the world derive their sovereign authority? (Hint: its the people, duh.)

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

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Civilians are responsible for their governments. Alas, this is a hard truth that many civilians do not wish to be reminded about.

>> You can never morally justify war against civilians, sorry. > Civilians are responsible for their governments. So the attack on the WTC was justified in your opinion?

If you wage war on foreign nations, and allow your government to do so, then you shouldn't be so surprised when it comes back to roost. No, the WTC attacks were not justified. But they were definitely to be expected, given the carnage around the world that the USA has been propagating now, for 80 years. When your nation maintains its moral authority to indiscriminately wage war around the world, you should not be surprised when that war comes to your footstep.

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

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Civilians are responsible for their governments. Alas, this is a hard truth that many civilians do not wish to be reminded about.

How can you even say that when you are replying to a comment talking about totalitarian regimes like nazi germany? This is one of those horrible "im more cartoonishly pessimistic ergo realistic than you" internet ideas.

Can you really maintain such ignorance in the face of the political reality, that governments gain no powers from the ether but rather - directly - from the support of their civilian populations? Are you stupid, or just young and haven't gotten to that part in civics lessons yet?

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You use a packet sniffer to see all your local network traffic and make sure you can account for every request.

A really weird moment for me was when I took away the ability from my phone to access my microphone from all apps, and yet when I say "Ok Google" the "Google" App opens up and then tries to ask me for Microphone access. I'm running an LG G5 with all stock Android and updates installed. It's a little creepy that an app with no access to my Mic can ask for said access when I say something to my Mic. My guess is the "Ok…

that's actually an optimization it seems, at the processor level there is a low power keyword listener for "Ok, Google" but it just fires the app it doesn't get anything more since you didn't grant it mic access.

A much crazier permission is phone access on Android. I recently noticed Facebook's Messenger had been uploading my call logs without ever mentioning it to me. Only realized when it recommended I call a contact back despite me not using messenger to call them - it saw the call in the phone's history and matched it against its database.

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

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> Are you saying ISIS should also be left alone and America not try to stop them? As someone who isn't from America (and actually was born in a country which was subsequently bombed by America during peace time) I've never understood this idea that America is somehow justified in the belief that they are the moral arbiters of the world. Who put you in charge? If the answer involves "we have a big military" it's inter…

Nanjing. Unit 731. Korean comfort women, Korean cultural genocide. How do you propose we win a war against people like that? It took not one, but TWO atomic bombs to force a surrender. Tokyo was prepared to fight to the last person. The only way to win that war was to bomb them into oblivion. That was a choice the Japanese made. The Japanese military engaged in unimaginable atrocities and despite being nearly annihil…

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Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

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No. They killed they intellectual elite and added a system in place to make sure they will never grow a new one. The reality is way worst: some company from our countries accepted a contract with NK and built that for them. I know that my country, France, is actually pretty famous for their surveillance technology. We have companies such as Amesys that have been caught blatantly selling huge systems for spying on ent…

Would NK trust a Western country to make their spy tech? I'd be worried about getting free rootkit updates from the CIA and UK spooks.

That's kind of where I was coming from in suggesting that the tech had to come from China.

But then again, commerce can make strange bedfellows.

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Funny thing capitalism, I have a more robust version of this on my work PC (seriously, makes this look amateurish). Except of course I have the "choice" to not accept it and go work for someone else.

Can you give more details?

I think the idea is that most big tech companies (Apple, Amazon, Google, Microsoft, etc) generally have custom spyware built into the hardware they distribute to employees.

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

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Funny thing capitalism, I have a more robust version of this on my work PC (seriously, makes this look amateurish). Except of course I have the "choice" to not accept it and go work for someone else.

You highlight choice like you're being sarcastic, but is there anything that stops you from looking for a job? If it's a big deal to you you'll make it a priority, if it's not a big deal to you you'll stay where you are.

Why do poor people accept the mistreatment by their employers?

Why do you complain about the company dumping waste in your backyard - just move to a nicer neighbourhood.

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