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Google Pays Female Workers Less Than Male Counterparts, Labor Department Says

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Re: Google Pays Female Workers Less Than Male Counterparts, Labor Department Says

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Post by sitkack »

lr4444lr wrote: post #91
sitkack wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are constructing a strawman. If rejection statistics were indeed calculated as you describe, it would scale with the number of job seekers crossed with the demographic. I am going to go with DoL statisticians not being idiots.

Strawman or not, the public has a right to the methodology and criteria behind the DoL's claim, without which we are free to disbelieve their allegations without justifying ourselves.

We should hold both Google and the DoL to the same standard, nowhere does "trust us" form a compelling argument.

Re: Google Pays Female Workers Less Than Male Counterparts, Labor Department Says

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Post by coldtea »

inopinatus wrote: post #126
coldtea wrote: post #97

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Studying? Major life challenges? Those are not the kinds of gaps that are applicable to this discussion. The gaps the parents alludes to are taking time off working to be with the kids and such. And those are not especially correlated to any "increased professional utility". And even the ones you mention, with the exception of studing, most of what you described would still be either irrelevant or detrimental to "pro…

You clearly have some entrenched (and false) opinions about how talent and capability develops, some huge blind spots about the reasons for women's moves in and out of the workforce, and deep preconceptions about what people should and shouldn't be doing. Since that reveals a rigid thinker, I will not bother to debate.

Yeah, the kind of "deep preconceptions" that are based on actual reality...

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/01/women-more-t...

Re: Google Pays Female Workers Less Than Male Counterparts, Labor Department Says

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Post by _Codemonkeyism »

user5994461 wrote: post #85
_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #32

This often happens in cultures - not sure Google is such a culture - were you negotiate your initial salary, raises and need to push for promotions. When advising women on interviewing I always suggest they ask for more money than they are comfortable with.

> When advising women on interviewing I always suggest they ask for more money than they are comfortable with. I do the same for men. Saw a few guys jump ship recently for significant raises. Turns out they were badly underpaid :D

Yes me too ;-) But especially with women. Since reading "Negotiating Your Salary: How to Make $1000 a Minute" a long time ago I've applied this to myself.

Re: Google Pays Female Workers Less Than Male Counterparts, Labor Department Says

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Post by erroneousfunk »

belorn wrote: post #81
snarf21 wrote: post #30

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I can't find the source but I read something recently that said that after controlling for position and experience the pay gap is around 7%. Off the cuff, I find that to match my intuition. If you could hire women engineers for 80% of the equivalent man, then all companies would wan't to hire every other companies women at 90% of equivalent because they would still be getting a deal and the women would get a big pay…

That 7% isn't uniform through all age groups. At below age 25 women at the some education and position earn more than men. from age 25-35 the wage gap reverts, and from age 35 and up men earn more than women. With a work force that generally starts at age 20 and stop work at around age 60 the total result gives you that 7%. So what would a rational fix be to that?

What's your source on a gap with higher earning women below age 25? All I can find is http://www.aauw.org/files/2017/01/spring2017-the-simple-trut... which doesn't control for education or position, but with women going to college in higher numbers than men...

I can't find any statistics that show women out-earning men, at any age or education level, in the US.

Re: Google Pays Female Workers Less Than Male Counterparts, Labor Department Says

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Post by novia »

coldtea wrote: post #132
inopinatus wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You clearly have some entrenched (and false) opinions about how talent and capability develops, some huge blind spots about the reasons for women's moves in and out of the workforce, and deep preconceptions about what people should and shouldn't be doing. Since that reveals a rigid thinker, I will not bother to debate.

Yeah, the kind of "deep preconceptions" that are based on actual reality... http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/01/women-more-t...

From your linked article:

>Part of this is due to the fact that gender roles are lagging behind labor force trends.

The study you linked looked specifically at the USA, which is very much behind the rest of the civilized world when it comes to gender equality. Other countries have solved this problem of gender discrimination by mandating paternity leave as well as maternity leave.

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