The Mac Pro Lives • Hacker News Board

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by stephen_g » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 1:38 PM UTC

okket wrote: post #87

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect The Osborne effect is a term referring to the unintended consequences of a company announcing a future product, unaware of the risks involved or when the timing is misjudged, which ends up having a negative impact on the sales of the current product. This is often the case when a product is announced too long before its actual availability. This has the immediate effect of…

This is completely irrelevant to this situation. Their Mac Pro sales have surely already reduced to a trickle, and they will know that they will not sell a huge amount of the updated bridging model. The iMac update has been expected for a while so they're not changing much mentioning that's coming later this year either.

It's not like killing the current Mac Pro sales is exactly going to put Apple in trouble - they're raking in money from the iPhone and MacBook (Pro) lines.

This is a carefully thought out plan from Apple for sure, unlike Osborne's blunder.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by IBM » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 1:39 PM UTC

intoverflow2 wrote: post #118

IBM wrote: post #57

>Mac sales were up in 2016, once again outpacing the PC industry as a whole, and the new MacBook Pros are a hit, with sales up “about 20 percent” year over year. Brutal to all the MBP hot takes from this fall. Here's a good running list of them. https://mjtsai.com/blog/2016/10/27/new-macbook-pros-and-the-...

>Brutal to all the MBP hot takes from this fall. Not really, what are people supposed to do? Move their entire ecosystem to Windows? Just because it sells doesn't mean it's a great product. Balmer's reign is testament to that so I'm getting pretty tired of (non-shareholder) people pointing at spreadsheet numbers to justify Tim Cook doing a good job.

Whether it's a "great product" or not in your opinion doesn't really matter as long as the people who bought them are happy.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by redsummer » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 1:39 PM UTC

What do they mean by a 'modular system'? Like the old Mac Pro, with the side door? Or like hifi separates, with a separate GPU, CPU, box of ports etc?

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by jacquesm » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 1:39 PM UTC

manyxcxi wrote: post #108

jacquesm wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can run linux on the MBP. It's a pretty good combination.

I'll second that. I've had very good luck with my conversion on my old MBP so far. I have a late 2009 kicking around the house, basically a web browsing computer or backup machine if I leave my newer model in the office, etc. Since I couldn't get the latest macOS on it I figured I'd just wipe it and install a Linux distro- all told I was maybe an hour into the process and had Ubuntu 16.10 running like a champ. The bu…

Lubuntu desktop may be more to your liking, it's very simple (almost spartan).

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by mwill » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 1:39 PM UTC

Tepix wrote: post #52

sparkling wrote: post #22

Too late. Hackintosh is up and running.

A new Mac Pro that can be upgraded by the user is great news for the Hackintosh community as well. There will be more drivers for more components.

Really hanging out for the nvidia Pascal drivers for my almost perfect pci passthrough VM system. I can run GPU accelerated Windows and Linux apps at (near) native speeds without rebooting, if Pascal drivers drop I'm off to the races with MacOS as well.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by H1Supreme » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 1:40 PM UTC

ericcholis wrote: post #91

Working in a small-ish company, my job responsibilities are relatively fluid, with major shifts coming every few years. First, it was a shift away from Windows to Mac to develop PHP. Recently, I've off-loaded most of my graphic design work, which means I'm less reliant on the Adobe Creative Suite. So, my next shift might just be to Fedora or Ubuntu. Not that I'm not satisfied with Mac OS or Apple hardware. But, they…

After Apple launched the MBP's back in October, I moved to Linux for all my development work (web included). If you're not reliant on Adobe as much anymore, it's an easy transition.

I installed Gimp for basic photo editing (cropping, basic toning), and it's really not too bad once you get used to it. I have a long history with Adobe products too.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by stephen_g » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 1:41 PM UTC

rodionos wrote: post #72

I have read quite a few confusing things about new MBPs. I'll probably stay put for another year before bailing out of the Apple ecosystem (aka distortion field).

My brother has one - it's quite a nice machine and the touch bar is way cooler than I thought it would be (whether it will be really useful is probably yet to be seen over the long term).

He's mostly using it for video editing (4K/5K) and it screams along in Final Cut Pro X.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by SippinLean » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 1:41 PM UTC

I understand the consumer market for, say pre-built Dell desktops with an i3 you get your mom for surfing the web.

What graphics professional isn't assembling their own rig though? $3k is a LOT of money to spend on a desktop.

I'm old enough to remember dedicated SGI workstations, and a decade ago I felt OSX had some advantages in graphics, I can't think of any of those that exist today, at least to justify such a huge markup on parts I could buy myself.

I'm generally curious, I feel like I'm missing out, people that would consider paying $3k for a computer made out of easily-obtained components, why is it worth it to you?

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by teekert » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 1:41 PM UTC

doppel wrote: post #60

I am really curious what Apple feel constitutes "pro" apps. "Software development" is mentioned, but the general sentiment from Hacker News and developers I have talked to seems to be that Apple do not understand their "Pro" audience, at least when it comes to the Macbook Pro (granted, it's a different beast than Mac Pro).

Maybe they'll update aperture (one can only hope for good, not so expensive photo editing software that allows one to put pictures into folders and projects...)

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by pier25 » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 1:41 PM UTC

granda wrote: post #21

buserror wrote: post #13

Gave up on the mac pro years ago. I replaced my unkillable 2008 Mac pro with a lovely Fractal Design R5 case, a stonking 5930k overclocked at 4.5Gz on a 'posh' ASUS Mobo with 64GB of DDR. It's a 'hackintosh', sure enough, but it's fantastic. First time in 30 years I don't own a mac, that's telling. Their fault, too.

Where do you recommend for someone that wants to build one?

I've been building hacks (as the community calls them) since 2010.

If you get a golden build and get it working it's almost like a real mac. It's possible to get everything working 100% but it's time consuming and even in the best case scenario macOS updates will probably be a pain.

Another aspect to consider is noise. If you come from the Mac world you are probably spoiled by low noise or silent computers. PCs are very noisy and you will probably have spend time in research and money in expensive silent parts to solve this.

Finally, a common problem with hackintoshes is wifi. I've tried everything, believe me. If you intend on using Wifi your best bet is buying the same chip Apple uses with an adapter. Many manufacturers offer their Wifi drivers for macOS but those are usually finicky or outdated.

This is expensive, but it's IMO the best choice: http://www.osxwifi.com/apple-broadcom-bcm94360cd-802-11-a-b-...