They should just keep a constant URL that will redirect you to whatever is their current messaging/calling product of the day. Jeez.
That'd be a bit like http://www.uroulette.com/ - you'd never know where you'd end up.
Google Talk Is Being Discontinued
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#132This blog post mentions following messenger technologies (Google has even more not mentioned here): - Google Talk - Hangouts Meet - Hangouts Chat - Android Messages (something new, never heard of it) (And non-google messenger technologies: SMS, RCS). How user is supposed to navigate all these? Given that all these things are inferior to even Facebook and is ICQ-grade.
But Facebook Messenger now wants to eat Snapchat's lunch and is offering Snapchat functionality. Great, that annoying cat lady who I'm "friends" with now can spam my Messenger app with pics of her cat. And I shared a picture with a friend and Messenger suggested I posted it to it's NotSnapChat. It's a single button inside the chat bubble, which makes me wonder if the publishing happens directly when I push that button, and who'll be the next Anthony Weiner after he accidentally presses that button...
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I secretly wish Discord had been based out of some open standard because it is well done. I want to highlight that this is not realistically possible for anyone, not right now anyway. When Discord was created, XMPP was the only option if you wanted to adopt an open standard, and it was absolutely not up to the task . Matrix was also an option but far too new. Discord is a startup, and is run as a business (just lik…
>making it an open protocol from the get-go removes a lot of your freedom // Can you expand on that. Are Discord using someone else's closed protocol then in preference to their own (which they could open) or an already open one? Or did you mean "freedom" as in "ability to use lock-in", or something else?
They're using their own protocol. By freedom, I meant ability to iterate fast, break compatibility, not have to support unwanted clients etc.
It's something you care about less once you're big, but it matters a lot when you're starting.
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#134GTalk was an amazing simple-to-use application. Should I say it was simpler than Skype. I don't like hangouts at all.
Their Chrome plugin was also wonderful. Keyword "was". It used to be a discreet window that persists across tabs, which you could minimize and expand from the lower right corner of your screen. They killed it and now it's an awful behemoth google hangouts window. Really disappointing.
It's like designed for legally blind or touch screen and the green makes me want to vomit
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#135Can somebody please explain to me Google's messaging strategy? As a Voice, Talk, Hangouts, SMS user for what feels like the last decade, I am so incredibly confused that I want to walk into Google and fire all 18 of the 19 messaging teams. That way at least we'll have one singular group to yell at when things go wrong. Here's the Google Messaging landscape as far as I know it: - Google Talk in Gmail: I think this is…
Thank you. I think this was the most complete post I've seen of this and largely lines up with what I know of it as well.
The worst part is they have tons of really great things, but rather than improving and working on getting more users they keep starting over.
I feel like at one point they were working towards an experience where you could:
* text, voice or video chat (and flip between them in any conversation at any point)
* in 1-1 or in groups
* integrate with PSTN voice and SMS (to the extent possible)
* access across several platforms (with a seamless experience if you move from one device to another midway) including native PC, web-based, and Android apps
They got like 80% of the way there -- then just gave up, and everything they are doing now is just on its own randomly wandering path with no cohesive vision.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not just failed. Google betrayed XMPP. You can blame Eric Schmidt for it. He gave some lame speech about how other instant messaging services aren't playing fair, so Google should also become a walled garden. And that was it. They made Hangouts and stopped caring about federated IM idea. It's a wonder we can send e-mails between many servers. Imagine someone like Eric Schmidt driving it. We'd be stuck with incompatib…
Perhaps this is the point we need legislation to require that IM services with above X users in the relevant jurisdiction must provide a full, open, protocol and enable interoperation via the published protocol? That's the only way I see the companies involved would move to enable cross-platform communications? Aside: >It's a wonder we can send e-mails between many servers. I have a shared account on a small ISP, Mic…
Yeah, that's one of those problems which are hard to solve without global collaboration, and current major IM participants are too selfish and greedy to understand that concept.
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are saying it like if XMPP never worked on phones.
It didn't work well . But who cares? Even if there were, hypothetically, no possible way to make XMPP work, and Google really needed a custom protocol, they could still have released public documentation for that protocol, and open source client and/or server code. Indeed, that's sort of what they did in 2009 by creating Jingle, an XMPP extension for voice chat, and releasing libjingle. But no such luck for the new s…
XMPP doesn't work well on phones in part because Google, Facebook, Apple, etc. didn't want it to work well on phones because they wanted their own proprietary messaging services.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not just failed. Google betrayed XMPP. You can blame Eric Schmidt for it. He gave some lame speech about how other instant messaging services aren't playing fair, so Google should also become a walled garden. And that was it. They made Hangouts and stopped caring about federated IM idea. It's a wonder we can send e-mails between many servers. Imagine someone like Eric Schmidt driving it. We'd be stuck with incompatib…
Isn't Hangouts mainly some kind of video chat? I've never used it because I'm not interested in video chat ...
No. It's a standard (and surprisingly shoddy) instant message service that also integrates video chat.
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#139This is for G Suite business customers. They don't explictly say if this applies to regular Google users.
This is more likely regarding the fact that Google is obligated to warn their paying customers, and not obligated to warn their products. If these services didn't tie to G-Suite, there'd likely be no warning at all.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not just failed. Google betrayed XMPP. You can blame Eric Schmidt for it. He gave some lame speech about how other instant messaging services aren't playing fair, so Google should also become a walled garden. And that was it. They made Hangouts and stopped caring about federated IM idea. It's a wonder we can send e-mails between many servers. Imagine someone like Eric Schmidt driving it. We'd be stuck with incompatib…
They have already mail email incompatible. They haven't changed protocol but best of luck if you run your own email server.
The world made it impossible to roll your own server, not Google. The proliferation of spammers in email has necessitated a cottage industry of security and filtering and all manner of mechanisms, automated and otherwise, to deal with the avalanche of bullshit streaming through that protocol.
Google's the blame party for a lot of things, but not the loss of email freedom.