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Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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post #82

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It's not just Microsoft making a mess out of Windows. Third-party vendors are conspiring to ruin the PC platform. As often comes up in these discussions, I only use my PC for gaming. I've upgraded to 10, and downgraded back to 7 again, twice, just to make sure it really was that bad. (I downgraded both of my boys' PC's as well, just recently, because of strange problems they were always having.) Last time I updated m…

> Last time I updated my nVidia video drivers, I found I had to create an account with nVidia to get into the configuration options of the driver on my machine. I see a lot of people with this confusion between the NVIDIA Control Panel and GeForce Experience. You do not need to create an account of any kind to use the NVIDIA Driver Control Panel. You never did and hopefully you never will. GeForce Experience on the o…

its pretty hard to find a download for the current windows 10 drivers without the GFE though.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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post #115

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Ah, yes, how absolutely shocking that Microsoft should choose not to support a processor that didn't even exist at the time that version of Windows was released. Why, everyone knows, especially on HN, that updating and retesting software costs nothing at all and so that's why we all eagerly go back and retrofit all versions of software we've ever released, no matter how old, to support the latest hardware just as soo…

Upvoted because it's true: Microsoft has no obligation to support old software, any more than it has an obligation to respect its users. I mean, it would be nice if they did, but clearly they aren't in it to do good for the world.

But this stuff is built of a platform that allows standardized parts to work without a lot of extra support. This has always been the users' expectation, one that Microsoft has managed well -- you can use new hardware on your existing Windows, but driver support might be minimal.

This new tactic is a complete change of pace. We are seeing businesspeople make technical decisions.... hurl

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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post #119
post #70

The main thing that annoys me about this is that i've been having major problems with Windows 10. I previously ran server 2012 as my daily driver, which was fine for everything i needed to do on Windows (run visual studio, play overwatch, basically). I've installed Windows 10 LTSB (which is the true enterprise version of Windows 10, with all of the apps etc. removed [telemetry still remains and has to be manually dis…

Two questions: Did you have problems with w10 LTSB which you didn't have with regular w10, or was it the same with both? And how did you get LTSB? I read it's $7 a month but I don't understand if anyone can get it or you need to sign up as a company.

I found a torrent and made sure the hash matched that on the MS website. I cant comment on the w10 non-LTSB as i've not used it, sorry.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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This seems like they have enormous pressure from on high to make sure Windows 7 doesn't become another XP that they have to support for 15 years By Any Means Necessary. If circumstances were different, I might even be applauding them for taking strong corrective actions against another XP doomsday scenario, or for moving to rolling release, both of which seem like great plans. The reason I'm not is that Windows 10 fe…

> Windows 10 feels unfinished and buggy to me. Everyone makes this point, no one elaborates it. How is it buggy and unfinished? I'm using it on 5 different devices with vastly different hardware profiles (1 modern gaming rig, 1 old gaming rig, 1 low end laptop, 1 convertible laptop, and 1 SFF PC) and they're all rock solid. I also use Windows 7 on my work laptop daily and moving back and forth between the two OSes da…

For me 10 feels more buggy because of many small details that create an always-shifting, async-updating, never-where-I-put-it experience. Compared to that, even crashes in XP felt more... robust? Some examples:

When copying files, copy progress dialog is sometimes opened hidden behind all other windows

The ui formerly known as start menu populates search results incrementally, so Win+program name+enter can open different thing based on timing

Randomly self-reboots at night, breaking long uploads or batches.

Force-installs drivers (NVIDIA, synaptics, ...) that crash on current setup or lose features. Even during the work.

Randomly resets file associations.

Resets some settings to default on upgrade.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

#135

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MS could start by fixing the start menu bug that does not allow you to start all of the installed software from there. There are many more things. The reason nobody is giving examples is because those are small things, that we circumvent in seconds and move on (to face the next bug). Most people don't even remember what the problem is. I only remember about the start menu bug because it's so kafkanian.

> MS could start by fixing the start menu bug that does not allow you to start all of the installed software from there. That is super vague and not usefully googlable. Link?

Wat? "programs not showing up in start menu windows 10" is a perfectly good Google search. It will lead you to a ton of MS reps denying there's anything wrong with Windows.

If you mess around you'll probably find this one:

http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/07/windows-10-start-menu-break...

Funny that I couldn't reach the actual bug report anymore with that search. There are places where MS claims they increased the limit on the number of items on the start menu from 512 to 2048, but the problem was with 100 when I saw it.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> MS could start by fixing the start menu bug that does not allow you to start all of the installed software from there. That is super vague and not usefully googlable. Link?

Wat? "programs not showing up in start menu windows 10" is a perfectly good Google search. It will lead you to a ton of MS reps denying there's anything wrong with Windows. If you mess around you'll probably find this one: http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/07/windows-10-start-menu-break... Funny that I couldn't reach the actual bug report anymore with that search. There are places where MS claims they increased the limit…

You said "start menu does not allow you to start all of the installed software from there" which can manifest in many different ways.

And alright then, you're talking about a bug that was found in the Windows 10 Preview and fixed 1.5 years ago: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2015/09/18/annou... Or you're talking about something entirely else.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

#137
post #4

The recent pop-up ads, automatically downloading of Windows 10 by Microsoft and bricking devices by Microsoft's friends seems like a good indication of the tipping point for many people. Stallman was right, then? About 10 years ago I made the jump from Windows to GNU+Linux. It was quite annoying because at the time I was still heavily invested in web design and such, so not having photoshop was quite a loss. Nowadays…

It's not just Microsoft making a mess out of Windows. Third-party vendors are conspiring to ruin the PC platform. As often comes up in these discussions, I only use my PC for gaming. I've upgraded to 10, and downgraded back to 7 again, twice, just to make sure it really was that bad. (I downgraded both of my boys' PC's as well, just recently, because of strange problems they were always having.) Last time I updated m…

>>Microsoft has shifted into a whole new gear with Windows 10, and made it clear, despite user feedback, that they intend to stay the course, and continue the data collection, and advertising, and everything else that gets discussed on HN

Well if you would just Subscribe to o356, put all your documents in OneDrive, and buy every app in the windows store they would not have to show you ads ;) /s

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

#138

This seems like they have enormous pressure from on high to make sure Windows 7 doesn't become another XP that they have to support for 15 years By Any Means Necessary. If circumstances were different, I might even be applauding them for taking strong corrective actions against another XP doomsday scenario, or for moving to rolling release, both of which seem like great plans. The reason I'm not is that Windows 10 fe…

> Windows 10 feels unfinished and buggy to me. Everyone makes this point, no one elaborates it. How is it buggy and unfinished? I'm using it on 5 different devices with vastly different hardware profiles (1 modern gaming rig, 1 old gaming rig, 1 low end laptop, 1 convertible laptop, and 1 SFF PC) and they're all rock solid. I also use Windows 7 on my work laptop daily and moving back and forth between the two OSes da…

It's pretty clear to me that they started upgrading the "Control Panel" menus and never finished the job. At a surface level, you get new-style flat, simplified dialog boxes. To change more advanced settings, you jump into the old-style dialogs.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

#139
post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Windows 10 feels unfinished and buggy to me. Everyone makes this point, no one elaborates it. How is it buggy and unfinished? I'm using it on 5 different devices with vastly different hardware profiles (1 modern gaming rig, 1 old gaming rig, 1 low end laptop, 1 convertible laptop, and 1 SFF PC) and they're all rock solid. I also use Windows 7 on my work laptop daily and moving back and forth between the two OSes da…

For me 10 feels more buggy because of many small details that create an always-shifting, async-updating, never-where-I-put-it experience. Compared to that, even crashes in XP felt more... robust? Some examples: When copying files, copy progress dialog is sometimes opened hidden behind all other windows The ui formerly known as start menu populates search results incrementally, so Win+program name+enter can open diffe…

These complaints are somewhat valid and also not exclusively Windows things. I've experienced similar issues on every other major platform.

> When copying files, copy progress dialog is sometimes opened hidden behind all other windows

I've not personally experienced this. If you initiate a Copy and then change focus, the dialog will not steal focus. Perhaps that's what you're experiencing? I despise when apps steal focus (i.e. Outlook 2015/Skype 2015 splash screens) and so I appreciate this aspect of it.

> The ui formerly known as start menu populates search results incrementally, so Win+program name+enter can open different thing based on timing

That happens to me constantly on Windows 7, this isn't something new. As of right now, if I type "windows update" in the Win7 Start Menu and hit enter it launches "Lenovo Update" on my laptop. If I wait then I get an Apps list of Lenovo Update, Java Update, Intel Update; then gradually documents, downloads, One Drive searches, and then at the last moment "Windows Update" appends itself to the bottom of the Apps list.

> Randomly self-reboots at night, breaking long uploads or batches.

There's nothing random about this. When an update is installed that requires a reboot then Windows notifies you that it scheduled a reboot outside of the Active Hours you defined. That notification sits in the tray until you manually dismiss it. You have the option to click on it and open the "Restart Options" menu which allows you to put off the reboot for up to 7 days.

If the update is installed while you're not present and you never return before the reboot is scheduled to occur then I'm going to assume it reboots. I would like to say that it holds off the reboot for up to 7 days for you to return to the PC but I don't believe that to be true.

> Force-installs drivers (NVIDIA, synaptics, ...) that crash on current setup or lose features. Even during the work.

Windows will install baseline drivers for hardware that doesn't have a proper driver installed. These drivers do not necessarily have the full functionality of drivers you download directly from the vendor, however they are provided by the vendor. If you've installed a driver directly from the Vendor, Windows will not supersede that install with the Windows Update Version but will instead list the version in Windows Update as available to install.

> Randomly resets file associations.

Windows Media Player on Windows 7 is the only time that I have experienced this issue. I don't use any of Microsoft's preferred Apps (e.g. Edge, Mail, Groove, etc), I have different defaults associated, and I have never had this happen. I have had an issue where x86 and x64 versions of Firefox were both installed and, when I uninstalled the x86 version, Windows notified me that it changed associations back to Edge since the x86 install was set as the default browser. The notification was not temporary, it sat in the notification tray until I manually dismissed it. That behavior is perfectly reasonable to me.

> Resets some settings to default on upgrade.

This is true of lots of software, I've had it happen with Chrome, Firefox, and iTunes with in the last 6 months. It doesn't always happen with Windows and it doesn't always happen in other software, but it happens. I cannot recall this happening to me in Windows 10 other than during a major update to a product. Specifically when they made significant improvements to Cortona and wanted you to give it another look, in that case it reset to the setting from disabled to "setup and configuration" mode but it didn't enable Cortona.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

#140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wat? "programs not showing up in start menu windows 10" is a perfectly good Google search. It will lead you to a ton of MS reps denying there's anything wrong with Windows. If you mess around you'll probably find this one: http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/07/windows-10-start-menu-break... Funny that I couldn't reach the actual bug report anymore with that search. There are places where MS claims they increased the limit…

You said "start menu does not allow you to start all of the installed software from there" which can manifest in many different ways. And alright then, you're talking about a bug that was found in the Windows 10 Preview and fixed 1.5 years ago: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2015/09/18/annou... Or you're talking about something entirely else.

It looks similar, but if it's the same thing, it's a regression. I've only noticed the bug on my work computer this year.

It's hard to say exactly what it is, because as you can see, MS publicly denies any problem (despite a lot of people reporting it) and technical information is really hard to find.

All that I know is that I still can't access all the programs on the computer by the start menu. (Not a big issue, the menu is so messy that I prefer to navigate the program files in explorer anyway.)

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