I was starting to wonder if they were even going to launch a new messaging product this week.
I thought these types of comments weren't allowed on Hacker News? I'm curious why a mod hasn't detached this comment yet.
Google Splits Hangouts into Chat and Meet
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#132Despite Google's confused messaging strategy, I am actually okay with this. This is the clearest indication I've seen of a clear, targetted approach from them on the messaging front.
Hangouts was/is amazing for conf calls, so they took that, made it simpler and called it Meet. Hangouts was less awesome for chat, but a lot of people are using it and Slack, so they took the good things from Slack, revamped the chat experience and called it Chat.
Their intro explainer has quotes from people in large corporations saying how good it is and scenarios of these products being used for "work things."
I like this and hope that it rises in prominence.
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#133Oh for fuck's sake. Which is basically what I end up thinking after virtually every Google announcement regarding chat.
We can profitably do without more drive-by snark (which we've asked you repeatedly not to post) on Hacker News.
Honestly, I think this is exactly the sort of sentiment we need on Hacker News, because I think it accurately and succinctly represents the opinion of a significant portion of the community with respect to Google's chat apps.
Sometimes snark is the only decent response to a situation; I think that Google's chat quagmire is arguably one of those.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
It isn't "supporting only one video" that mean the target is consumer. Allo & Duo have no enterprise features, and are publicly marketed to consumers. Hangouts is marketed & sold as part of GSuite, the enterprise productivity suite from Google. Targeting determines features, not the other way around.
target here is not a consumer, target here is particular feature. you fragmenting your target 'consumer' by video and text chats, each served by separate app. how is it not a use-case/feature segmenting? feel free not to answer though
Nope, the target is the customer (consumer & enterprise), and then you build the features required by that customer.
You don't build a video calling tool and then look for a potential segment to sell it to, you define/find a segment and then build the product with the features required to target that segment.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why stop there? Gmail is communications as well, so include email too. And snail mail too, so add Fedex/UPS service into it. And fax, we can't forget about fax. But hey, connectivity is just a section of productivity, and docs, slides, sheets, drive is all productivity, so add it all to the same app, as well as google plus. You also use the app store to get your company's apps, so add the play store as well. Finding…
Lotus Notes didn't have video, and sound or real-time chat functionality. It does integrate a spreadsheet, decent word processor, calendar and task list. Google Docs with its Calendar and Gmail integration is close enough. Integrating different use cases is different from interoperability. For example, make it easy to share a file on drive via email and chat does not require drive to be integrated. Likewise meet (new…
Lotus Notes did have chat. And voice. And IPTV. And fax services. And databases. HR tools. Expense tools. Business process tools and whatever else you can think of.
And the apps do work together, apparently. From the announcement they're integrated with Drive and the entire permission system. I'd guess there are far more integrations to come.
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#136Google still didn't fix the damage they did by abandoning XMPP, and not supporting server to server encryption in Google Talk.
SNAP has a market cap of 29 billion USD, and does not support XMPP.
> SNAP has a market cap of 29 billion USD, and does not support XMPP.
Berkshire Hathaway has a market cap of over 400B. They also don't support XMPP. I think we're definitely seeing a trend here...
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#138Yes Google's chat strategy is a mess, but this part is great news: > It’s a full rewrite of the Hangouts meeting experience and will work without any plug-ins (and Google also promises that it will be lighter on the processor, too, and won’t eat into your battery life or make your laptop’s fans spin at full speed). The team also cut down on the code size and promises that meetings will load “instantly.” Our team span…
This! And I hope that they fix the "calling now" issue. I still don't get why they did not make a small desktop app and voice only calling to destroy Skype. So much potential wasted.
They clearly think desktop apps are obsolete.
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#139Guess which will die first?
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've used discord. My family is never going to use discord or a discord-like app. For that, we need sms or MMS. One of the problems with discord is that it becomes very bloated to use (fromm mobile). It takes 3-4 interactions to get to the friends list so I can message someone. With sms/mms/allo/fb messenger, I open the app and my friends list is just right there, staring me in the face. Optimized for different useca…
Hmm, my version of Discord either points me at the friends list or restores previous state with 2 or 3 taps max to message a friend. (top left hamburger menu, tap friends, pick a friend) Is what you describe specific to iOS version? What is missing most is video chat.
I was speakng about android. I think there's a vast difference between 0 and 2-3 interactions. I mean in many ways, Discord is 2 apps in one, you swap between them by swapping between the servers and friends views, and I think its worth recognizing that fact.