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Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by Jare » Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 10:57 PM UTC

Jare wrote: post #103

Is it viable for those of us with only a handful of GB free in our C: drives? 2015 and previous would only put a few bits in the "install location", and still pollute the C: drive with up to 20 GB of stuff of hardcoded paths.

I installed the basic C++ tools (precompiled modules, Win10 and 8.1 SDKs, etc) and it has taken 2.5GB out of my C: drive (hardcoded location for the Windows 10 Kit apparently) plus 2GB on my install location.

Then I added NodeJS tools and everything went into the C: drive.

If I select Cordova and other Android and mobile stuff it quickly complains that I do not have enough space - which suggests these tools and SDKs are hardcoded to C: as well. I have not investigated in more detail.

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by will_hughes » Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 11:06 PM UTC

DashRattlesnake wrote: post #99

Does anyone know how to unsubscribe from the "Your Visual Studio Subscriptions update for March" spam emails from Microsoft? I think they're super annoying, and have no unsubscribe instructions at all . I just got one announcing this launch.

Microsoft emails are absurdly hard to unsubscribe from.

I've had to resort to dropping MS domains at our exchange edge to stop receiving them.

Their Azure sales team are even worse - I've actually had to shout (repeatedly) at them to stop them from calling me, all because I wanted to try Azure AD as a test. They're on my permanent blacklist now, I won't even consider Azure because of the constant harassment over email and phone.

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by sundvor » Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 11:10 PM UTC

eitland wrote: post #58

LyalinDotCom wrote: post #8

Its a great sense of relief to finally ship this product, we really hope folks give it a try and join our live keynote which is streaming now at http://launch.visualstudio.com

As a newcomer to .net I was really confused by the lacking refactoring support in Visual Studio (yes, things we spoiled Java brats take for granted like extract method, extract class, move to separate file etc). Is this available in VS 2017? Edit: and live unit testing! I was looking forward to that until I found out it was only available in the enterprise version. (And yes, here you have an edge on Java anyway I thi…

For live unit testing you really cannot go past Ncrunch.net. It is absolutely brilliant, colour coding the testing coverage and test results in the margins of the editor - which run and update as you type. I bought my own personal license for this.

Core support is coming; first beta just released. I believe that targeting a constantly changing tooling set was/is quite a challenge.

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by louthy » Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 11:42 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #127

louthy wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't comment for VB or the error you're getting, but System.ValueTuple is a nu-get package that facilitates the new tuples in C#; so maybe try including that in your project?

But how can it be called a new language feature if it's not supported unless I add some external references (and the what's new page doesn't make any reference to a nuget package).

The type is library code, the only part that's a language feature is the grammar. ValueTuple is a type like any other, and the CLR will need it referenced to use it.

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by dmarlow » Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 11:46 PM UTC

What are the dependencies to C# 7? Is it only available on dotnet core and on some future version of full .net?

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by cm2187 » Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 11:48 PM UTC

louthy wrote: post #134

cm2187 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But how can it be called a new language feature if it's not supported unless I add some external references (and the what's new page doesn't make any reference to a nuget package).

The type is library code, the only part that's a language feature is the grammar. ValueTuple is a type like any other, and the CLR will need it referenced to use it.

Microsoft seriously needs to rediscover the value of simplicity. I don't need to install some third party library to use tuples in python. Tuples being part of the language means it just works.

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by Metasyntactic » Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 11:50 PM UTC

dmarlow wrote: post #135

What are the dependencies to C# 7? Is it only available on dotnet core and on some future version of full .net?

Hey DMarlow, could you clarify your question? A C# 7.0 program should run on pretty much any version of .Net after 2.0. Similar to C# 2.0-6.0.

The only thing we ever really adopted in C# that needed a new runtime version was Generics.

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by Metasyntactic » Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 11:56 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #127

louthy wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't comment for VB or the error you're getting, but System.ValueTuple is a nu-get package that facilitates the new tuples in C#; so maybe try including that in your project?

But how can it be called a new language feature if it's not supported unless I add some external references (and the what's new page doesn't make any reference to a nuget package).

Hi CM, i'm Cyrus, a developer on the C#/VB IDE.

First: The benefit of this approach is that people can now use this sort of feature down-level. i.e. you can interoperate with this code even if you're on a previous version of C# or VB. Also, it means that the libraries can be rev'ed independently of compiler and IDE releases. There's a lot of value in having this sort of thing. And in the past people would rightfully complain about the lockstep nature of wanting to adopt a language feature, but having to switch over an entire toolchain to do so.

then we'll offer to add the NuGet package for this for you when you use a tuple.

We'd like to eventually make this option on by default. However, there is a memory cost to it, and we'll need to win back that memory usage in some way so that we can abide by our commitment to VS using less memory and being more lightweight by default than previous versions.

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by dmarlow » Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 11:58 PM UTC

Metasyntactic wrote: post #137

dmarlow wrote: post #135

What are the dependencies to C# 7? Is it only available on dotnet core and on some future version of full .net?

Hey DMarlow, could you clarify your question? A C# 7.0 program should run on pretty much any version of .Net after 2.0. Similar to C# 2.0-6.0. The only thing we ever really adopted in C# that needed a new runtime version was Generics.

So with c# 7 all I need is VS 2017? It'll work with existing .net 4.5.x and 4.6.x projects? I tried tuples and VS complained. Are there instructions to get that working somewhere?

In order to compile on a build server do I need an updated toolchain?

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by duncans » Wed, Mar 08, 2017, 12:05 AM UTC

dmarlow wrote: post #139

Metasyntactic wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey DMarlow, could you clarify your question? A C# 7.0 program should run on pretty much any version of .Net after 2.0. Similar to C# 2.0-6.0. The only thing we ever really adopted in C# that needed a new runtime version was Generics.

So with c# 7 all I need is VS 2017? It'll work with existing .net 4.5.x and 4.6.x projects? I tried tuples and VS complained. Are there instructions to get that working somewhere? In order to compile on a build server do I need an updated toolchain?

Yes. Download "Build Tools for Visual Studio 2017" from https://www.visualstudio.com/downloads/ - then use `C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio\2017\BuildTools\MSBuild\15.0\Bin\MSBuild.exe`. For the new Tuple support add a NuGet reference to System.ValueTuple.