Sexism at Uber from Female Management • Hacker News Board

Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

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Post by st3v3r » Fri, Mar 03, 2017, 7:39 PM UTC

socrates1998 wrote: post #125

Why do talented, or at least competent, software engineers stick around when they are treated like this? I left jobs for a lot less than what this person went through. I hope she gets a better job soon and I am glad all these stories are coming out now.

After a while, it beats you down, and you feel so bad that you can't leave. You kinda feel you aren't deserving of working in a respectful environment.

This is aside from other things like not feeling like you can get another job, or having bills/bonuses that you'd have to repay, etc.

Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

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Post by stagbeetle » Fri, Mar 03, 2017, 7:40 PM UTC

stevienyx wrote: post #85

thewhitetulip wrote: post #25

While reading the account, it seems the Manager is from India perhaps? Edit: I am an Indian and it is a big deal in India to wear "revealing clothes", albeit I have no idea what a tank top is neither do I care Just FYI do you don't assume that I am a sexist and downvote me.

She is white, and no I don't assume you are a sexist, I assume you are a racist.

Different cultures have different values.

This is not a racist thing, this is a culturally aware thing.

Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

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Post by adrr » Fri, Mar 03, 2017, 7:40 PM UTC

MBCook wrote: post #51

tomp wrote: post #34

So... Tina's an asshole/jerk/bitch, but where's the sexism?! (I'm not disputing sexism in Susan Fowler's case.)

The comments about the tank top were blatant sexism. The rest just seemed like terrible management.

It would be sexism if it was directed only at women which is not specified in the blog post. If you're meeting with another manager for a transfer, its probably a good idea not to wear a tank top both sexes included.

Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

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Post by rebelidealist » Fri, Mar 03, 2017, 7:40 PM UTC

nanodano wrote: post #115

All of those things she lists are not really sexism. The only one that even comes close is the lady telling her not to wear a tank top. Honestly, I agree too. I think tank tops are not appropriate office attire. This girl just needs to grow up and learn that her appearance does matter. I feel like her manager was actually giving her some good life advice and being real with her.

Forcing her to work only on her desk is pretty oppressive.

Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

#135

Post by m3rc » Fri, Mar 03, 2017, 7:41 PM UTC

Uh, you can still be sexist and also be a jerk... are you asking if people can only be one?

And FFS, just look at women in their goddamn eyes, like a normal person. Not being sexist is like the easiest thing in the world, just don't be weird.

Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

#136

Post by st3v3r » Fri, Mar 03, 2017, 7:41 PM UTC

user5994461 wrote: post #116

> In my time there, I saw malicious fights for power, interns repeatedly putting in over 100 hours a week but only getting paid for 40 Let's repeat one more time, don't do 100 hours week, you'll never get paid for it.

Agreed. Unless you have significant ownership stakes in the company, killing yourself with overtime is never rewarded. It just becomes the normal, and when you finally do cut back, everyone seems disappointed.

Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

#137

Post by socrates1998 » Fri, Mar 03, 2017, 7:42 PM UTC

hellcow wrote: post #12

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't see anything that the manager is doing wrong. We can debate whether the manager is effective at her job, but it seems clear to me this is not an example of sexism. The only citation I can find relevant to the claim of sexism is that she was asked not to wear a tank-top to work. It may very well be that a tank-top is inappropriate attire at Uber's workplace. At IBM and many o…

Making someone work only at their desk? That's some stupid, 3rd grade teacher crap.

It sends the very clear message "You can't do your job, so I am going to watch you like a 10 year old."

Fuck that. I would rather be homeless than deal with that shit.

Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

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Post by stagbeetle » Fri, Mar 03, 2017, 7:42 PM UTC

misingnoglic wrote: post #126

burrows wrote: post #32

>> I know this is completely untrue because I wear this tank top almost every day and am close with him and members of his team (we eat lunch together and even go on the occasional run for ice cream). You wear the same shirt everyday?

Is this what you got from the article??

Different viewpoints are always encouraged, lest the conversation becomes a resonance chamber.

Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

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Post by watwut » Fri, Mar 03, 2017, 7:46 PM UTC

tomp wrote: post #42

RickS wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it seems clear to me this is not an example of sexism. >she was asked not to wear a tank-top to work She was not "asked not to wear a tank top to work". Her manager directly linked her (sane) clothing choices to the implication of promiscuity and its impact on her career, with an anecdote about one of her previous coworkers social habits and underwear. That's inexcusable. The employee's email is not "openly hostile…

"Don't wear revealing/sexy clothing" seems to be a common requirement at many jobs, and not sexist at all - though clearly it would be tailored specifically to the (inappropriate) clothes an individual is wearing.

Tank tops seem to be pretty normal in jobs where a lot of young women work (except in positions that deals directly with customers). Judging by what I have seen women wear last year.

If it seems too revealing to someone, that someone is probably spending all time with males or old women only.

Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

#140

Post by kchoudhu » Fri, Mar 03, 2017, 7:46 PM UTC

mg03pa wrote: post #74

voidlogic wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's a source of constant amazement to me that people who will drill incessantly on red-black trees won't put in a modicum of effort to learn even a little bit about the inherently more complicated business of managing people. This isn't really an issue if you promote an engineer to mgmt when they have demonstrated that can manage people, rather than before and assume they can grow.

It'd be great if you were right, and it was that easy. But you're wrong, and it's not.

I appreciate the appeal of Starship Troopers style leadership: "everybody drops, everybody fights" is wonderful for morale, but everyone needs to go read the book to see what needs to happen before it is organizationally feasible.

In the Troopers universe, promoted troopers are sent to a grueling OCS course that trains them to understand the ins and outs of leadership. NO technology organization I have been exposed to has had a similar training course for new promotes; leadership skills are assumed to blossom overnight upon promotion.