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Re: A profound apology

#131

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Sorry Travis; once an asshole, always an asshole; No, people actually do change, you know.

Name some.

You. 10 years from now. Mark my words, remember this comment, come back here and tell me if you've changed.

Re: A profound apology

#132

Sorry Travis; once an asshole, always an asshole; all the leadership training in the world isn't going to change that. You're 40 years old, how long would you have us waiting? Even brother J. was on your tail in noting that bad trees don't give good fruit. Claiming 'profound' for PR-bullshit like this when you're in that kind of mess is just another nail in the coffin.

Sorry Travis; once an asshole, always an asshole; No, people actually do change, you know.

I'm guessing (matter-of-factly) that you don't have a degree in psychology.

Re: A profound apology

#133

Sorry Travis; once an asshole, always an asshole; all the leadership training in the world isn't going to change that. You're 40 years old, how long would you have us waiting? Even brother J. was on your tail in noting that bad trees don't give good fruit. Claiming 'profound' for PR-bullshit like this when you're in that kind of mess is just another nail in the coffin.

But we have made assholes extremely successful in the past (e.g. Steve Jobs). May be they all just want to follow the trend.

Re: A profound apology

#134

Sorry Travis; once an asshole, always an asshole; all the leadership training in the world isn't going to change that. You're 40 years old, how long would you have us waiting? Even brother J. was on your tail in noting that bad trees don't give good fruit. Claiming 'profound' for PR-bullshit like this when you're in that kind of mess is just another nail in the coffin.

Sorry Travis; once an asshole, always an asshole; No, people actually do change, you know.

There are different kinds of change, waiting for dirt to turn into pixie dust is irrational.

Re: A profound apology

#135
post #132

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Sorry Travis; once an asshole, always an asshole; No, people actually do change, you know.

I'm guessing (matter-of-factly) that you don't have a degree in psychology.

I'm a different person than I was ten years ago. Some things remained the same, a few things changed.

Re: A profound apology

#137

I would like to hear an argument for why Travis should remain as CEO. In my mind there's simply been too many colossal failures as a leader, and while I don't consider this video in particular to be resignation worthy, I feel like it's just another datapoint in a growing dataset showing that he's not mature enough (at 40 no less) to handle his role. A straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. This letter seems…

Being an ass hole is sometimes an effective form of leadership. This event may be a datapoint FOR keeping him as a leader.

Steve Jobs was an ass hole.

Re: A profound apology

#138
post #109

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Speaking of Trump, Jon Stewart pointed out something interesting recently - it's clear he's always lying, because no-one says 'believe me' when they're not lying. And Trump says it all the time. "I didn't take the last cookie... believe me"

it's clear he's always lying, because no-one says 'believe me' when they're not lying. Is that an general thing in English-speaking countries or just American? Where I grew up I think it would be perfectly fine to say this even when I have been speaking the truth all the way. (Don't want to defend Trump. I don't like him. Just curious about the idiom or whatever this is.)

I'm Australian, and after hearing Stewart say that, I thought back on my own experiences. The only time I can recall it being used in a somewhat truthful manner is in an angry parental warning "Believe me, you're going to suffer if you continue that way" - some sort of threat that the person in question can carry out. Every other time, it's been bluster with no substance.

I mean seriously, if you throw out the question "Okay, who dropped the production database?" and one of the staff said "It wasn't me. Believe me!", that's kind of instant suspicion right there. It's a really weird thing to say in the contexts that Trump says it in.

Re: A profound apology

#139

Sorry Travis; once an asshole, always an asshole; all the leadership training in the world isn't going to change that. You're 40 years old, how long would you have us waiting? Even brother J. was on your tail in noting that bad trees don't give good fruit. Claiming 'profound' for PR-bullshit like this when you're in that kind of mess is just another nail in the coffin.

But we have made assholes extremely successful in the past (e.g. Steve Jobs). May be they all just want to follow the trend.

I couldn't care less about their preferences, we're moving on now.

Re: A profound apology

#140

Sorry Travis; once an asshole, always an asshole; all the leadership training in the world isn't going to change that. You're 40 years old, how long would you have us waiting? Even brother J. was on your tail in noting that bad trees don't give good fruit. Claiming 'profound' for PR-bullshit like this when you're in that kind of mess is just another nail in the coffin.

Sorry Travis; once an asshole, always an asshole; No, people actually do change, you know.

People do; grandparent's idiom isn't accurate.

But I've found that I don't have the mental fortitude to wait for them and see abuse meted out in the meantime. Deliberate assholery once, I'm going to be suspicious for a long, long time. Asshole twice, we're done.

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