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Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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Post by Zelmor »

drstewart wrote: post #125
WhitneyLand wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a tough argument to make that SF beats SLC in net savings. You should try living with your family in a house with a backyard, it's quite enjoyable and could be pretty cheap over time if you see any appreciation. Secondly there are a lot more taxes on a lot more things in SF, are you factoring that in? Also I'd bet you are worth more than 105k in SLC if you looked around longer. I love SF and it's great to live…

>You should try living with your family in a house with a backyard, it's quite enjoyable and could be pretty cheap over time if you see any appreciation. You should try living in a cabin in the woods. Way cheaper plus you get fit from chopping up firewood for the winter. Obviously only a fool would live in a city in Utah when they could live in rural Alaska for cheaper!

Please leave.

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Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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Post by ghaff »

danans wrote: post #126
frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Maybe if urban residents stopped subsidizing unsustainable rural living What do you mean?

Urban areas generate more tax revenue and receive less benefits per capita than suburban and rural areas. Here's an article about a study confirming this phenomenon in Indiana: http://www.ibj.com/articles/15690-study-urban-tax-money-subs...

I would note that's specifically Indiana tax distribution within the state and the outflow vs. inflow delta is relatively small (single digits).

That said, it was well documented in the last election that red states receive net money from (typically more urban) blue states. However, it's rather a leap to go from there to cities subsidize. There are also a lot of costs with supporting cities and some of those rural costs are needed to support things like a nationwide transportation system.

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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Post by walshemj »

switch007 wrote: post #109
muzfuz wrote: post #49

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True - but then that's the general issue with London vs the rest of the country. Compared to other careers, dev salaries in London make the city pretty liveable. I'm certainly not struggling to service a mortgage in Zone 2, and many devs I know are similarly comfortable.

You, or you and a partner? Do you work in finance? I'm having trouble with my idea of average dev salaries and zone 2 prices equalling comfortable (i.e. nice amount of savings and disposable income after mortgage payment). If non-finance, I must be really out of touch with London salaries. I had an email today offering "up to £50k" for a devops position at a web agency...risible.

the problem I that marketing and publishing don't treat the techies with respect "contempt" was how my last but one boss put it and he was a director at a subsidiary of relex

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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Post by colbyh »

jensvdh wrote: post #71
r0m4n0 wrote: post #27

I have a much different cost of living equation supporting my decision to live in the bay. The big expense is obviously rent, which I'm sure they have represented... The average 1 bedroom in Austin around $1,000 and in SF let's say $3,300. Difference of $2,300 * 12 = $27,600. After that, that other $40,000 cost of living difference seems a bit of a stretch. In SF, my company buys breakfast, lunch, dinner and my trans…

SF is bad but not "average $3300 for a 1BR" bad.

it's actually worse, sitting at ~$3,500 right now: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/San-Francisco-rent-cos...

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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Post by brilliantcode »

Bahamut wrote: post #127
brilliantcode wrote: post #63

...and Vancouver, BC doesn't even show up on the radar because our average is roughly $53,000 USD / year. Might wanna consider outsourcing here. Same time zone as SV, similar culture, speaks English, tight job market means loyal workers. source: https://www.glassdoor.ca/Salaries/vancouver-software-develop... USD/CAD as of today: 1.31

There are some good devs there too - maybe that is what made it an attractive choice for companies like Facebook before.

Facebook did it to get around visa issue to attract non-Canadians from Europe and abroad. Microsoft does it too.

I work in the same building as Microsoft in downtown Vangcouver and I always hear a lot of foreign languages being spoken on the way up-Russian, Mandarin etc. I don't think they've been in an English speaking country for very long which makes me suspect they are doing the same thing as Facebook.

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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Post by humanrebar »

sotojuan wrote: post #96
humanrebar wrote: post #53

The problem with straight-across cost-of-living adjustments is that they're only relevant when you're talking about a more-or-less zero savings rate. Assuming you can save 10% of your annual salary a year, you're better off living in higher cost-of-living areas, assuming all other things being equal. Then you are growing wealth (retirement funds, etc.) instead of just getting a more expensive lease for your car or ap…

I think the biggest problem with COL is the fact that COL is a very personal matter. Here in NYC, most college graduates (programmers or not) share an apartment with flatmates. If you're a programmer, as long as at least one person in the apartment has a non-minimum wage "office" job ($40-50k+), you can live quite comfortably and save a lot unless you decide to live in a penthouse. An average apartment in many areas…

I've noticed this as well, but the flip side is that cities price out families and people with disabilities pretty quickly.

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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Post by olva22 »

I'm wondering why the entire southeast of the US was left out of the analysis? I'd have imagined ATL or Miami would have enough data to add to the report and cost of living is fairly low even in comparison to many of these other cities.

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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Post by antoniuschan99 »

brilliantcode wrote: post #63

...and Vancouver, BC doesn't even show up on the radar because our average is roughly $53,000 USD / year. Might wanna consider outsourcing here. Same time zone as SV, similar culture, speaks English, tight job market means loyal workers. source: https://www.glassdoor.ca/Salaries/vancouver-software-develop... USD/CAD as of today: 1.31

There's a lot of upside for an engineer to work for a US based company from Toronto. Or for a US based company to hire someone from Toronto. Same with Vancouver.

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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Post by frgtpsswrdlame »

danans wrote: post #126
frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Maybe if urban residents stopped subsidizing unsustainable rural living What do you mean?

Urban areas generate more tax revenue and receive less benefits per capita than suburban and rural areas. Here's an article about a study confirming this phenomenon in Indiana: http://www.ibj.com/articles/15690-study-urban-tax-money-subs...

Sure because a lot of those areas are poor. Surely, we're not talking about making it even harder to live in a rural area?
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