Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign • Hacker News Board

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by pfarnsworth » Tue, Jan 31, 2017, 6:03 AM UTC

alphonsegaston wrote: post #29

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #3

Dan Primack summarised this well; Uber failed on messaging: "Uber has done a lot of questionable things over the years, but its actions this past weekend vis-a-vis Trump's immigration ban weren't among them. An actual timeline from Saturday, which may differ from what you saw on social media: • 4:20pm ET: CEO Travis Kalanick sent email to employees. It stopped short of explicitly opposing the ban, but did say: (1) Th…

Uber broke the strike by breaking the strike. This absurd focus on whether surge pricing was a multiplier or disincentive is a complete distraction. The taxi drivers reached out and asked Uber for solidarity. They dispatched drivers to break the strike. They made their bed in the court of public opinion, now they can lie in it.

Both Thiel and Icahn are investors in Lyft, who are even closer to Trump. How does it feel directly support Thiel and Icahn?

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by babesh » Tue, Jan 31, 2017, 6:04 AM UTC

general_ai wrote: post #58

Kalanick and Musk are basically the only two remaining adults in SV. Musk basically said on twitter, "I'll go and talk to the guy". Everyone else is more concerned with political correctness and virtue signaling. Hundred thousand bombs dropped into five countries on that list -- not a goddamn peep from anybody. 2150 people killed by drones -- same. Iraqi refugees banned for half a year -- no one has even heard of it.…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4168950/Rudy-Giulian...

No, they are protecting their interests even in the face of discrimination. And guess what, those bombs are continuing to be dropped and Trump wants more bombs dropped.

http://time.com/4644036/donald-trump-russia-syria-joint-stri...

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by deepakhj » Tue, Jan 31, 2017, 6:04 AM UTC

8ytecoder wrote: post #5

nichochar wrote: post #4

It's funny to me how Lyft positions itself like the poor little underdog that deeply cares about humans. People are so susceptible to marketing it's crazy. They provide the exact same service, and Lyft cloned most of uber's features once uber had achieved the unbelievable mindshift of changing people's behavior. Whatever people think, in a few years if Lyft is popular enough, guess what: they too will become the "big…

To be fair, either Uber copied the idea of ride sharing from lyft or both copied it from sidecar. Uber wasn't the first.

Zimride (Zimmer founder of Lyft) started the first carpooling site. I used it many times to offer rides to Tahoe.

Uber started their service with black cars.

Later Sidecar started the first service to allow non taxi/black car drivers the ability to drive their car and pick up passengers.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by panarky » Tue, Jan 31, 2017, 6:05 AM UTC

sirclueless wrote: post #121

panarky wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Collaborating with the administration legitimizes and normalizes their policies of hate. This does far more damage than any marginal benefit from "speaking into the president's ear". I'm sure it's good for Uber to be on Trump's team, but don't pretend you're "standing up for what's right".

Ahh yes, the advisory board with other fringe right-wingers such as Elon Musk, Satya Nadella, Larry Page, Eric Schmidt, Tim Cook, Jeff Bezos, and Sheryl Sandberg. How could he possibly be so two-faced as to throw his hat in with these marginal characters?

You're misinformed.

Nobody from Microsoft, Google, Apple or Facebook are in this group.

https://greatagain.gov/president-elect-trump-announces-addit...

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by aseipp » Tue, Jan 31, 2017, 6:05 AM UTC

srtjstjsj wrote: post #90

panarky wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't about "messaging" or "optics". Kalanick is playing a double game, collaborating with the Trump administration on the one hand, while simultaneously trying to be seen as moral. This is too transparent and Kalanick got caught trying to play both sides. If he believes the Muslim ban and other policies of hate are immoral, he should loudly and publicly resign his position on the president's economic advisory g…

If he disagrees with the President, why should he (and why should anyone want him to) stop speaking into the President's ear?

All Travis has gotta do is just, uhhh, disrupt all of that, uhhh -- disruption going on? The stuff with the judiciary branch, and whatnot.

To be clear, I don't mean to be incredibly condescending, but: Do you actually think the POTUS or someone like Steve Bannon actually gives a shit what a nerd who owns an app actually thinks, in light of everything happening right now?

I'm being serious. Fundamentally, "nerd who owns app" is all someone like Travis Kalanick is, in this situation. He is not some magical negotiator or politician because he accepted a position with the administration on the Policy Forum. I don't know why to expect him to be anything more than just a soundboard/printed name. Why would I? Because he and Trump are business men?

And if he IS anything more than "nerd who owns app" -- why would he want to be associated with what appears to be a completely unhinged administration? People do not look at someone like Condoleezza Rice and think "I bet she tried real hard, talkin 'em down. Good show."

This idea "good ol' Travis or Elon" can just talk him down off the wire seems to be nothing but a dream, rooted in some fantasy, as far as I can tell. Maybe all the shit going down is bad for them. But if it isn't - why would they stop it?

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by exodust » Tue, Jan 31, 2017, 6:06 AM UTC

guelo wrote: post #75

That perfectly timed million dollar donation to ACLU was marketing genius. I can't imagine how you go about making a decision like that and quickly pull the trigger in such a fast paced volatile environment.

which is enough reason for me never to use Lyft.

#hasta-la-lyfta-baby (work in progress delete Lyft hashtag).

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by grzm » Tue, Jan 31, 2017, 6:06 AM UTC

tn13 wrote: post #127

Strikes should not be a feature of free societies. What do we achieve by striking and making it hard for normal Americans to go abut their lives ? Trump and his officials probably laugh at you from their taxpayer funded jets. An Uber or Lyft driver is poor than me and I do not want him to earn less because I want to engage in virtue signaling. I would suggest putting up donation boxes and raising more money to donate…

Strikes should not be a feature of free societies.

Choosing not to work for whatever reason is a feature of a free society, I should think. If one wants to publicly declare the reason, that's exercising another important freedom.

Strikers understand that it's going to be an inconvenience of some sort: that's part of the way it attracts attention. They're also willing to pay the price for their actions. They understand that some will not look upon what they're doing favorably, and there may be repercussions.

Your suggestions regarding donation boxes are also very worthwhile. Some issues are important enough to warrant inconveniencing others.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by alphonsegaston » Tue, Jan 31, 2017, 6:06 AM UTC

pfarnsworth wrote: post #131

alphonsegaston wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber broke the strike by breaking the strike. This absurd focus on whether surge pricing was a multiplier or disincentive is a complete distraction. The taxi drivers reached out and asked Uber for solidarity. They dispatched drivers to break the strike. They made their bed in the court of public opinion, now they can lie in it.

Both Thiel and Icahn are investors in Lyft, who are even closer to Trump. How does it feel directly support Thiel and Icahn?

I don't support Lyft and my first comment on this post was critical of them and the riders who switched to them out of a false solidarity. Perhaps read other comments on this thread before making assumptions.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by BuckRogers » Tue, Jan 31, 2017, 6:06 AM UTC

pfarnsworth wrote: post #129

didibus wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we stop thinking of it as deleting Uber and start thinking of it as install lyft, I think it makes more sense. Lyft took a very public opposition stance and committed to give 1 000 000$ to support an advocacy group. And this isn't necessarily a stance against Trump, but just this particular executive order.

Peter Thiel is a direct investor in Lyft. And Thiel donated $1M to Trump and was part of his transition party.

People keep saying that and it's just not a good point. I'm sure there's a lot of Republicans involved with every company. Peter Thiel is just yet another one of them. I wouldn't let him investing in Lyft turn you away- everyone including him is learning that Trump is bad for business.

If you go off 1 guy's name to avoid a company rather than their actual business practices, no partisan from either side could buy anything.

I'm a registered independent whose compass is science rather than ideology, (at least since the Bush Jr era, prior to which I was a registered Republican)- and I'm still deleting Uber and will use Lyft instead.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by enobrev » Tue, Jan 31, 2017, 6:06 AM UTC

rdtsc wrote: post #110

KirinDave wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is getting ridiculous. We and our allies have bombed the crap out of those countries. Destabilized, them turned them into failed states. (Iran is probably the only sane one who arguably has a functioning government). We bombed hospitals, civilians, funded ISIS. Obama alone, the Nobel Peace Prize recipient just last year managed to drop over 26k bombs but but there is a stupid travel ban and the apps on my phon…

> I'm really confused by this. Are you mad because the political climate is encouraging people to wake up and go, I am mad that an app on my phone is now sending me emails about what I think is a fake outrage and jumping on a bandwagon. > Are you mad because the political climate is encouraging people to wake up and go, People should wake up. And one can argue, a good thing about Trump is perhaps we'll see a start of…

I don't disagree with your point, whatsoever, but I did see another perspective that I might not have otherwise considered while working with a larger company recently.

During the public debates regarding marriage equality, the company showed a very public display of support for marriage equality. They updated their branding and I assume their marketing as well to show that support.

From the inside, it was clear that this was to ensure the people who worked for the company could be proud of where they worked. From my perspective, it seemed the affect on the customer was second priority to the affect upon the employees, and that seemed to do well for all parties involved.