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Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by longsigh » Wed, Jan 11, 2017, 8:39 PM UTC

mraleph wrote: post #91

pjmlp wrote: post #84

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For me the project died when Google decided it wasn't worth it to support it any longer in Chrome and Angular team decided to use TypeScript instead. Regarding Flutter, I watched the conference where it was presented and none of the devices I own was able to launch the application. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.flutter.gal... Unless Google does actually use the language to the point a few well know…

> Regarding Flutter [...] none of the devices I own was able to launch the application. Is it still the case that none of your devices are able to launch Flutter Galler App? In an unfortunate coincidence the build that was published to Play Store right before the Dart Summit was flawed and declared that it is incompatible with most of the devices except for latest generation ones. This was rapidly fixed - but fixed b…

I just checked my Moto G 3rd generation again and it doesn't work. There is a corresponding open issue, but it makes me leery about using it for now.

https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues/5737

Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by devsquid » Wed, Jan 11, 2017, 9:30 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #130

zeveb wrote: post #125

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> But I always thought getting browsers to adopt Dart was a crazy and impossible idea. I don't know — browsers are already planning to adopt a non-JavaScript language (WebAssembly); it's entirely possible that maybe, just maybe they might start to support more than just the late-90s mistake which is JavaScript.

As someone that enjoys more developing native apps than web ones, I imagine Web Assembly will eventually be the revenge of plugins. How long it will take for Canvas/WebGL + WebAssembly frameworks to appear?

Eventually someones going to create a XML based layout language to use to construct views in the Canvas, we could even call it HTML ;)

I'm not a web developer either and I look forward to WASM and its potential. But I really like HTML, I've used lots of layout languages before and I think HTML is the best I've used. The only thing I find HTML to be obtuse about is complex animations.

Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by ClayFerguson » Thu, Jan 12, 2017, 1:09 AM UTC

benley wrote: post #81

ClayFerguson wrote: post #71

The absolute LAST thing the world needed in 2016 was another programming language. Google did with Dart precisely what Microsoft tried to do when they (MSFT) created a proprietary JavaScript back in 1997(ish). Big tech companies just have a lot of hubris and want to "own" everything they touch. Any large software company, given enough time and success, will eventually create it's own programming language. It's just i…

You are aware that Dart was not released in 2016, yes? The first public release was in 2011. Feel free to stick only to your company's Recommended Best Practices Industry Standard Languages and Libraries. But, there are lots of languages out there, and many of us have good reasons for using them. Deal with it.

Well if you jump from language to language, you'll never build a strong resume. Keep that in mind. I'm nearly 50yrs old now and have stayed on course with either C++ or Java, and never needed or wanted any of the "Flavor of the Week" crap the script kiddies love piddling in. Personally I think not being able to stick to something is a form of A.D.D. but that's just me. Deal with that. And no I didn't give a shit about nor claim I knew when Dart was invented.

Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by ClayFerguson » Thu, Jan 12, 2017, 1:24 AM UTC

acchow wrote: post #83

ClayFerguson wrote: post #71

The absolute LAST thing the world needed in 2016 was another programming language. Google did with Dart precisely what Microsoft tried to do when they (MSFT) created a proprietary JavaScript back in 1997(ish). Big tech companies just have a lot of hubris and want to "own" everything they touch. Any large software company, given enough time and success, will eventually create it's own programming language. It's just i…

> In my opinion there are three languages that need to still exist: Java, JavaScript/TypesScript, and C++ How many languages do you know well and which are they? How many years have you been programming? Do you know Haskell and Lisp? Have you done any work in econometrics or bioinformatics?

My main point was this: Before creating a NEW language, a person or organization should have a firm reason that no existing language will fit their needs. I think creating new languages has become a bit of a hobby for a lot of developers, and whenever a new one gains any traction, it damages the entire industry by fragmenting it. Sorry, not interested in the rest of your interrogation.