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Post by ZenoArrow »

danso wrote: post #102
ZenoArrow wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"What does "broken" privacy even mean?" "Broken" means "doesn't work". In the context of GP's post, the suggestion is that attempting privacy through obscurity doesn't work/is ineffective.

A large part of privacy is fundamentally about obscurity. If you have sex in a public park and someone tapes it, it can be put up on YouTube. If you have sex in your fenced backyard pool and someone holds their camera up over your fence to film it, you have a very good invasion of privacy lawsuit, even though your privacy had been "broken". Similarly, the burden of legal proof for libel or defamation are different fo…

The privacy being discussed in the context of this topic is online privacy. The point is that attempting to have online privacy through obscurity is increasingly ineffective. All traffic through the web is monitored, and I'd even suspect that some common methods of encryption will have been compromised (and even when they haven't been, some governments have made it clear that using VPNs and similar privacy protecting measures are close to an admission of guilt).

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

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Post by danso »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #131
danso wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A large part of privacy is fundamentally about obscurity. If you have sex in a public park and someone tapes it, it can be put up on YouTube. If you have sex in your fenced backyard pool and someone holds their camera up over your fence to film it, you have a very good invasion of privacy lawsuit, even though your privacy had been "broken". Similarly, the burden of legal proof for libel or defamation are different fo…

The privacy being discussed in the context of this topic is online privacy. The point is that attempting to have online privacy through obscurity is increasingly ineffective. All traffic through the web is monitored, and I'd even suspect that some common methods of encryption will have been compromised (and even when they haven't been, some governments have made it clear that using VPNs and similar privacy protecting…

This is a fair argument. Actually, I don't think we're really arguing, in that I agree with you, particularly on the technical parts. My main complaint was that privacy is a quasi-legal and technical matter. Whereas security, at least in the context of the motto, "Security through obscurity is not security", is a near-binary, either-or claim -- which I agree with.

To elaborate, for many people, the concept of privacy is already compromised when they discover sites like pipl.com. Pipl.com already has data-mined information for every American with a SSN. If you have a credit history, like the kind you provide to a landlord when applying to rent -- Pipl has that too, that's why it can list where you have lived in the past, and who you lived with.

But that's a fairly old situation; private investigators have been using LexisNexis/Accurint to do those searchers for more than a decade. And fancy things like satellite photos of where you live? Reason Magazine did that back in 2004: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1870509

(the impressive feat, IMO, was not the photos, but the ability to custom publish 40,000 print covers, using the technology and infrastructure at that time)

But does that mean privacy has been compromised? Sure. Or, maybe. The ambiguity in possible answers is a huge contrast compared to the answers you'd get if you asked "Is Dual_EC_DRBG secure?".

But if you think that privacy is unambiguously compromised, given what I've described...here's what I mean. There's a difference between LexisNexis/Accurint/etc. (never mind ad companies, which is a whole different thing) having your normal next door neighbor's information. It's another thing if a highly-followed Twitter account tweets a link to Pastebin with all of that information.

Perhaps the original commenter didn't mean that, but that's what I think of when I think of the average person's privacy being compromised.

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

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Post by sctb »

gnipgnip wrote: post #117
rounce wrote: post #98

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Well, everybody knows the basic threat model from which all threat models are derived is: "Mossad or Not-Mossad?"[0]. [0] https://vimeo.com/95066828

Touche ctr shill man

Please don't post like this here. Accusations of shillage are not part of a civil conversation.

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

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Post by rounce »

sctb wrote: post #133
gnipgnip wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Touche ctr shill man

Please don't post like this here. Accusations of shillage are not part of a civil conversation.

Kinda saddened at the censorship above. I can't help but feel I (and everyone else) have a right to be called names, know the names I'm being called and try and understand why I'm being called them. I'm sure this was in good will, and in the best interests of the discourse on this forum, but damn it's infuriating!

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

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Post by DanBC »

rounce wrote: post #135
sctb wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't post like this here. Accusations of shillage are not part of a civil conversation.

Kinda saddened at the censorship above. I can't help but feel I (and everyone else) have a right to be called names, know the names I'm being called and try and understand why I'm being called them. I'm sure this was in good will, and in the best interests of the discourse on this forum, but damn it's infuriating!

If you really want to see the post there's a setting in your profile. Turn "showdead" to "on".
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