Lots of mainstream cars (Nissan, Ford erc) can already do this.
Did you watch the video with sound on? The car alerts before the car in front brakes.
I see the cars in front of that car braking, as well as those beside the Tesla, before the alarm.
Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
The glorification of tech/denigration of humans juxtaposition is getting old fast. This attitude may seem benign, but it's insidious, carries a hint of elitism, and spills over into labor, class, and other aspects of human life. Why can't we appreciate tech advances without devaluing people?
The numbers support disposablezero. Humans deserve this devaluation.
No, we don't. We can promote the value of the tech without the denigration.
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#133My understanding is that a lot of recent year car models at least in Europe come with a safety feature exactly like this. Here is the video promoting Skoda's "Front Assistant" feature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ounFkvTuobY If Skoda has it I am sure that all other models in the VW Group's line (VW, Audi, Seat etc) should have it.
It works really well (not): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y5qwU0hwB0
Did you not see the video of the guy doing that in a Tesla? Except it happened on the road, not in a testing facility?
This stuff is going to happen as the technology develops.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
The glorification of tech/denigration of humans juxtaposition is getting old fast. This attitude may seem benign, but it's insidious, carries a hint of elitism, and spills over into labor, class, and other aspects of human life. Why can't we appreciate tech advances without devaluing people?
Because certain types of technical advancement requires an element of devaluing people. "Calculator" used to be a job performed exclusively by humans. Moving to mechanical & digital calculators didn't only require gains in efficiency, but also a recognition that this was a job humans were simply worse at than machines, so it was irresponsible to task a human with it. Similarly self-driving cars can't simply be a nice…
Promoting the tech and respecting people are not mutually exclusive.
I'm not arguing that we should endanger people and my comment is not about this one instance. It's about a general attitude of devaluing people. Where do you think that road leads?
When Uber vehicles were found to have run red lights a couple of weeks ago, Uber's response was that these were human operated and served as an example of why they must rid the roads of error-prone human drivers as quickly as possible. This, as if humans were a scourge that must be eliminated. There is a strange rising anger with people for being human.
And, once we've ridded the roads, labor force, economy, etc. of all the pesky humans, then what? Who owns the tech? Who has the power? Will they be as benevolent as the machines we've learned to worship? What is the value of a human life by then?
Quote whatever stats you like, but normalizing this attitude of fallible, dispensible humans is dangerous in many ways.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
The glorification of tech/denigration of humans juxtaposition is getting old fast. This attitude may seem benign, but it's insidious, carries a hint of elitism, and spills over into labor, class, and other aspects of human life. Why can't we appreciate tech advances without devaluing people?
This is something that kills tens of thousands of people per year in the US alone- already greatly reduced by technological advances, and still falling. Excuse me if I don't shed a tear for the feelings that might be hurt among human drivers who consistently and measurably overestimate their abilities.
>Excuse me if I don't shed a tear for the feelings that might be hurt among human drivers who consistently and measurably overestimate their abilities.
Indeed. If only we could find them all and kill them before they strike again.
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#136One of the main causes of accidents are vehicles left on the road and other vehicles impacting them or the people as they take for granted that traffic will be fluid and are distracted or whatever. You should never leave your children and family on a car on the left lane while you leave, never. I have a neighbor that is paraplegic because of that. His entire family went to the hospital after a vehicle crashed from be…
at some point there is going to be cars stopped in the road right? or is every car on the freeway behind the car accident suppose to pull off the road?
they clearly said in dutch to wait and see what the traffic behind is doing.
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#137What puzzles me here is that the SUV flips over after being hit in the right-rear corner by a relatively small car and bumping into the side barrier. Flipping over in a case like this looks more likely to happen to an SUV than a lower-centered car, and makes me question the safety of SUVs.
Is the assumption here (flipping over = very bad) correct? Is it possible that [edit: the force] can dissipate more easily if it flips (provided the car is built correctly to withstand the force of a flip)? NB: I know nothing about this topic, genuinely curious to hear from someone who does.
I think you're on to something. The people in the small car were almost certainly harmed a lot more than those in the SUV. Just look at how hard it slams into the SUV. Provided the seat belts are able to hold the passengers in the SUV in place, I think they survived without much harm. I'm more worried about the passengers in the small car.
Small bump: http://www.ed.nl/polopoly_fs/1.6785912.1482854466!/image/ima...
Ouch: http://www.ed.nl/polopoly_fs/1.6785892.1482854220!/image/ima...
Source: http://www.ed.nl/regio/valkenswaard-e-o/valkenswaard/video-d...
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
Relying on error-prone, distracted, slow humans to guide massive killing machines is playing Russian roulette. AI driving will no doubt be eventually better than the best human driver within a decade, in nearly all instances.
The glorification of tech/denigration of humans juxtaposition is getting old fast. This attitude may seem benign, but it's insidious, carries a hint of elitism, and spills over into labor, class, and other aspects of human life. Why can't we appreciate tech advances without devaluing people?
Every death in my family that I'm capable of remembering was auto-related and the driver was at fault. All of them were easily preventable if the driver was not distracted or wasn't straight up breaking the law. That is 6 family members I would still have if not for complete human incompetence.
The romanticism of "human control" is not an idea I am willing to support. Humans are terrible at most things they do. We get tired. We get distracted. We become complacent. We bend the rules. We forget steps in the safety protocol. We make incorrect decisions. If there are only 99 ways to do something wrong a human will invent the 100th way of doing it wrong.
If mechanical failures and software errors can be proven to be a safer risk than human error - then humans should be exchanged for robots. Jobs and hobbies be damned if there are lives at stake.
Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]
#139This is exactly how Elon described the system. Forward looking radar now bounces radar under car in front, getting back location of 2nd car in front, and responding to sudden braking etc.
Exactly so. The Tesla Model S dashboard display shows the car in front, and the car in front of that. The little car cartoon goes blue when that car is controlling the speed of the Tesla, and red when that car is causing an emergency stop.
I've seen this happen, thankfully without the crash and rollover, in my car (Model S). My car has stopped when the second car in front decelerated fast.
This kind of forward-looking speed control can also contribute to the melting of compression wave traffic jams.
Radar's a tough signal processing deal: a soda can on the road can mimic a large vehicle.
Possible next step in systemic forward-looking safety control, and much cheaper than radar: a few bits of data embedded in stoplights could announce the state of the stoplights of the next car forward (and even the one in front of that). Stoplights are all LEDs now, and they're bright enough to be seen by a really cheap camera even through mist on the glass.
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#140This is great video to study on many levels beyond self-driving car. Some observations: * The car behind didn't show turn signal so probably driver wasn't paying attention. * A small car escaping with not too much damage while SUV rolls over many times * From physics point of view, the car behind produced almost perfect torque that started horizontal spin on SUV * Collisions with barrier at high speed can produce lot…
> The car behind didn't show turn signal
Watch the video again; the little red car turns on their blinker and does a very slow shift to the right before clipping that stopped SUV. You're right that he wasn't paying attention, but his reaction time is incredibly slow - it looks like that car had just enough time to slam on their brakes or swerve to the right, yet they did neither.