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Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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At the local mall if you go to the Microsoft store you might find 15 people in there, very empty feeling. Meanwhile, there are probably 3-400 in the Apple store. >> More people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before. Our trade-in program for MacBooks was our best ever You could trade-up with up to $650 credit for your working MacBook Pro or Air. I'm assuming they were giving similar values as you would w…

The thing with that though is that you can buy a Surfacebook in a lot of different places. Macbook is mostly the Apple Store, or at least that is the perception. Ever notice how unbusy the Apple section at Best Buy is?

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Seems just fine on my 1080p 22" monitor, or on this 26" 2560x1600 monitor beside it. Then again I'm a dirty Gnome user on Debian, so perhaps my vanilaness is saving me. But even a few years ago on my last A8 & 1080P 15.6" laptop it was fine, definitely much better than 1366 by potato.

I'm sorry if my words were offensive for somebody - it's all questions of personal perception.

Hah, was being sarcastic with the whole dirty Gnome user bit, no worries!

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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I decided to get a Surface Pro 4 instead of upgrading my Macbook Air for my casual/portable computing device as I thought the combined Keyboard/Tablet mode would be more useful than an Air. My initial impressions after the first few days use:

- The Surface tablet Hardware has a nice build quality, but the Touch Pen doesn't register touches when it touches the screen you need to press down a little (unlike Apple's pencil). The Type Cover keyboard is wobbly when it's folded up so when I'm at a desk/flat surface I leave it completely flat as it's more sturdy. The touchpad is really small but I find myself using the touchscreen more so I don't notice it much. Otherwise the Type cover is usable, not as productive as a laptop keyboard, but more productive than a virtual keyboard.

- It's pretty fast, especially for its small profile

- The display is gorgeous, screen's a little small but it makes the device ultra portable.

- User Account management is atrocious, I bought the Surface Pro as secondary ultra portable for my Wife and so creating a new User Account is one of the first things I tried to do but couldn't at all, it kept failing with the useless generic "Something went wrong" dialog. You're meant to sign in with your Hotmail and I couldn't add another Local or Internet account for my wife for over 36 hours! it kept failing with "Something went wrong". I really hate needing to use an Internet account or requiring an Internet connection to create User Accounts, I'd prefer to completely disable any notion of Internet/hotmail accounts for Windows 10, it "just works" in Chrome OS but is highly infuriating and unstable in Windows 10. It still didn't let me add any Users after a complete reset, I had to wait 36 hours for that luxury.

- They have this "Hello" face recognition where it's able to log you in without entering a password which was a nice surprise and works pretty well.

- You now get annoying ads on your Lock Screen

- You also get nagged trying to keep you using Edge when trying to switch default browser to Chrome

- The AppStore is also unreliable, I couldn't install 2/4 Apps on the App Store Home Page (Halo and Planner 5D). Just failed with "Error, see details" with details being an empty dialog saying "Something went wrong". The Netflix App stopped loading after a 2nd restart (just an empty black screen) even after completely killing/restarting the App multiple times, only a full OS restart could get it working again. This experience falls way short of any of Apple's App Stores which "just work".

- Win 10 Apps aren't that great, the Facebook App is fairly polished but lacks feature parity with Website, Twitter's App is worse than its website, Netflix is the only Win 10 App I'm using over their website

- Win 10 isn't a great OS for touch, the icons are too small, took me a few goes trying to open a folder in VS which VS thought I wanted to move the folder, so you'll try using the touchscreen first than if it fails fallback to using the small touchpad.

- Within 3 hours of a new install I got by first BSOD, I installed VS 2017 beta with Docker + Hyper V. Docker for Windows refused to install the first time and crashes on Startup, I also couldn't run an empty .NET Core + Docker template, hand a number of build errors saying it couldn't find "System" namespace. The empty .NET Core Web App worked. In the end I uninstalled VS2017 beta, I'll try again in the next release.

These software issues happened after installing all Window updates. It was surprisingly buggy, I'd expect a hardware/software controlled device to be rock solid but the Surface was the most unreliable computing device I've owned.

In summary the Surface Pro4 tablet hardware is nice, quite thin for being able to run full Windows but also gets noticeably hot after a while (unlike iPad), has great display, Touch Pen isn't as solid as an Apple Pencil also its unproductive switching between Finger Touch and Touch Pen but the finger registration is good so I'm only using the Touch Pen for drawing apps.

Overall it's not as productive as a Macbook or as useful as a tablet than an iPad, so definitely not a Macbook or iPad killer, but has a useful niche as a secondary portable Windows 10 device. It's software unreliability issues and stupid User account management means I could never recommend it as on option to my parents who love and spend most of their time on their iPads and use iMac + Chrome OS for more heavy duty tasks - which are automatically backed up and have both been virus free for years which we're both happy about.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Visual Studio for Windows applications and XCode for iOS ones pin you to particular platforms. > For that use, Windows 10 is not only adequate but better than MacOS. "Denny's is as good as any Michelin Star restaurant."

Dollar for dollar Denny's is as good as any Michelin Star restaurant.

I think this was flagged down because it was flippant but the statement is true and insightful. And I think it's is a big driver of why the App Store went to FTP.

I've eaten €1500 meals at 3 star restaurants like L'Ambroisie and $10 Grand Slam meals at denny's. They fill different roles and both can be enjoyable.

For years there was a restaurant in Palo Alto that was really quite good and which my wife loved to visit. I was never happy because while the food and ambience were good, I always felt the bill was 50% higher than it should have been.

In the case of apps, most of them, for most users, don't justify the time put into them. Since that's true, people aren't idiots and won't take an up front risk on buying an app that doesn't work for them. That's why free download/in app purchase to really use has really taken off.

Oh, and it's well worth it to me to pay for a Mac. The fact that it's true for me doesn't justify your decision to buy a Mac or contradict your decision not to.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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I'm one of the people that switched from a MacBook Pro to the new Surface Book. The ENTIRE experience was dreadful for me. The day I went into the Microsoft store to purchase it (Black Friday), their credit card system was down, so I had to wait around for nearly 2 hours until they finally figured things out. That wouldn't typically upset me, but my brother-in-law went through something similar just 2 weeks prior. As…

Trackpads are one of the main things that other companies just can't get right, even on premium devices. Given how long ago Apple 'solved' trackpads, I'm amazed that the rest of the industry hasn't caught up.

It's a tricky thing. From my experience, the capacitive sensing chip vendors (e.g. Broadcom, Cypress, Atmel) want to move units but don't want to spend the time working on the necessary physical integration to make the sensing pad work correctly. A trackpad is really nothing more than a phone-class touchscreen without an LCD behind it. There's a lot of sensitivity tuning and noise rejection that needs to be performed to refine the performance.

It's not their field of specialization, and they don't want to manufacture the finished components themselves. Apple obviously has taken the time and care to get it right. A lot of others...it seems like they went with the reference design as being good enough.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Two days ago, immediately after several programs crashed and shortly before the entire OS locked up, I managed to capture this: http://i.imgur.com/ecCPlcs.png That is Crash Reporter crashing. The following is the last screenshot I was able to take before the system stopped being able to write files: http://i.imgur.com/IK7j98P.png Sierra has been an absolute nightmare in every respect that I have been forced to reboot…

Have you ever considered the possibility that your storage medium or random access memory is corrupt?

What year and ssd/hd?

I've had no problems except a couple programs that had broken features for a few weeks.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Trackpads are one of the main things that other companies just can't get right, even on premium devices. Given how long ago Apple 'solved' trackpads, I'm amazed that the rest of the industry hasn't caught up.

I believe that Apple has patented a lot of what makes their touchpads so great, which makes it difficult for competitors to make an equivalent.

Samsung seemed to manage to do somewhat decent trackpads with their New Series 9 models, now discontinued in most parts of the world.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Apple is losing ground, and this time it's not Steve's fault. I'll be sure to follow Apple when it will fall just so I can see the third coming of Christ. This time Steve will have to revolutionize resurrection; it's been 2000 years since the last innovation in that field.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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I wouldn't be surprised, considering I was a die-hard Apple user for 15+ years until about three years ago.

After owning virtually every Mac from the iMac G3 to the last iMac, with the exception of the new MacPro and the eMac (lol), I will never purchase another Apple product for myself. That said, I am in charge of purchasing computers for an Architectural firm which insists on buying these computers - they claim clients expect to see Apple products during visits to display the company as "avant-garde", which, to me, just confirms the snobbery behind it.

I now use my Windows desktop for heavy work, carry a laptop with Fedora, Android Tablet for meetings, and have an old MacPro which I'm 'forced' to use for Sketch; I would argue that if it wasn't for the popularity of Mac-only design software like Principle and Sketch, there would be no reason to use OSX anymore outside of the GUI.

To be fair, Apple computers are still a good choice for teenagers, senior citizens and/or Interaction Designers, but I can't think of any reason a professional outside of Video Editing or Design would opt for a Mac.

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