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Re: Linux on the Mac – state of the union

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Post by zrm »

l1k wrote: post #119
stinkytaco wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to understand this, why wouldn't that be an acceptable compromise? As someone who uses linux on both a server and a laptop, I can tell you that when my laptop is unplugged, I'd much rather have that battery life than inbound ssh connection stability. I would imagine this is much the same for the vast majority of linux users. Could the lack of compromise be part of the problem?

If nothing's plugged in then many devices can indeed be suspended in some way, either by putting them in PCI power state D3hot or by cutting power if the platform supports it. Plug events are then signaled e.g. by an ACPI GPE (general purpose event, an interrupt sent by the platform to the OS). The case I was referring to was with the Ethernet cable still plugged in. They seem to suspend the Ethernet controller but d…

> They seem to suspend the Ethernet controller but don't wake it when packets come in, presumably because the controller doesn't support that. The machine appears dead from the outside after a few seconds of inactivity.

It seems like that would affect more than ssh connections, e.g. you wouldn't be able to receive email notifications.

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Post by warmfuzzykitten »

rocky1138 wrote: post #12

I wish to thank the dedicated people who make this happen. I'm forced to use Apple hardware at work, but thankfully can run whatever OS I choose. Here's to the crazy ones.

It actually does sound kinda crazy. If you're forced to use Mac at work, why mess around with some buggy, craptastic Linux-on-the-Mac when you can use use the perfectly good Unix already on the Mac.

Re: Linux on the Mac – state of the union

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Post by JoelTheSuperior »

l1k wrote: post #59
gurkendoktor wrote: post #54

Sadly, I haven't heard/read anything good about running Linux on the iMac 5K, which I'm tempted to buy when/if it is updated in 2017. I don't understand Apple's vision at all, and it wouldn't surprise me if they ruined macOS in the next five years. Being able to install Fedora in that case would really buy me some peace of mind.

There was a thread on dri-devel a year ago: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2015-Octobe... Back then the probed panel resolution (EDID retrieved by radeon) was 3840x2160, which doesn't make any sense because the panel actually has 5120x2880. It's unclear if this was because of missing/broken MST support in radeon (Multistream Transport) or if Apple used some proprietary mechanism to squeeze the panel…

If memory serves Apple didn't actually use MST for the 5k iMac and instead developed a custom timing controller which allowed them to get the 5k resolution working over a single stream.

It's the same reason why, for example, Windows sees it as a 3840x2160 panel as well.

Re: Linux on the Mac – state of the union

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Post by netrikare »

thomasfl wrote: post #51
maratc wrote: post #48

The basis of this article makes no sense. What developers love about Macs is the OS and the nice integration between OS and hardware. Even if you hate the new hardware, it makes sense to continue juicing your current one and see what comes along next year; it makes zero sense to install Linux on a fringe hardware (Mac).

If I'd wanted Linux, I would prefer a windows laptop with flipable touch screen. The Lenovo Yoga would have been great if they'd only support Linux: http://venturebeat.com/2016/09/21/lenovo-confirms-that-linux...

Apparently you can now install Linux on yogas: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-Yoga-Series-Notebooks/Yo...

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Post by coldtea »

digi_owl wrote: post #125
mrpippy wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A rev of the original MacBook Air (the 2008-2010 one) got a custom package of an Intel CPU before it was available commercially. The original MBA was expensive and underpowered, a niche product at the time. PC vendors responded with equally niche designs (remember the Dell Adamo?) The Late 2010 MacBook Air introduced the current case design at a reasonable price, used 2+ year old internals (Core 2 Duo + 330m graphics…

> set the world on fire. Yeah i can smell the bonfires from here...

Well, considered it went top selling, got huge profits, was mimicked by almost every other manufacturer, and Intel even gave money to OEMs to make a competitive PC laptop, I don't see the sarcasm as warranted.

Re: Linux on the Mac – state of the union

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Post by coldtea »

rev12 wrote: post #102
coldtea wrote: post #33

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> I can't speak to the professional video world, but that's absolutely false in the professional audio world. Depends on what you mean "professional audio world". If you mean heavy old style studios, the kind Led Zeppelin might have recorded on back in the day, yes, but these are on the go (profits and usage wise) anyway, as the industry shifts. Musicians, producers, DJs, etc most carry laptops and have home studios…

I was referring to the composition and post production (sound design, engineering) world. Mostly because that is the industry I worked in for many years and still continue to work in (much more sporadically these days). That's a world that was dominated by Mac Pros around 2010. Around 2013 I started seeing a shift, myself included, to custom built PC workstations and that trend is just increasing now. The initial swi…

>You speak of home based studios using MacBook pros, but anyone doing that is obviously not a professional.

Tons of musicians/producers/etc have those, while making more money than professional studios from their productions -- and not just in EDM.

Lots of the work that studios did for even superstar musicians (pop, etc), nowadays happens in the box, and not just demos and early sketches.

>This notion that MacBooks (or even laptops in general) are super popular in the professional audio world is fiction made for advertising.

Rather the professional audio world is not what it used to be.

I'd consider million-making Bjork or whatever working on their laptop, as equally (or more) professional than some struggling studio or post-processing facility.

Re: Linux on the Mac – state of the union

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Post by Spivak »

monochromatic wrote: post #134
fulafel wrote: post #66

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Why not?

IT burden.

Weird, I would never imagine locking down development workstations -- how would you ever get anything done? Just one example would be Docker, having access is equivalent to root so why beat around the bush?

Our office basically treats development boxes the same as BYOD except the company buys the hardware. IT will do best effort diagnostics and recovery on those machines but otherwise you're on your own.

Re: Linux on the Mac – state of the union

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Post by monochromatic »

Spivak wrote: post #138
monochromatic wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IT burden.

Weird, I would never imagine locking down development workstations -- how would you ever get anything done? Just one example would be Docker, having access is equivalent to root so why beat around the bush? Our office basically treats development boxes the same as BYOD except the company buys the hardware. IT will do best effort diagnostics and recovery on those machines but otherwise you're on your own.

Eh I don't even necessarily mean locking stuff down. But having standardized images to roll out makes things simpler, keeping patches up to date, etc.
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