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Re: How Google Is Challenging AWS

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Why would you want to move data between AWS and GCP using a hard drive? The networks between the two cloud providers are immense.

"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway."

https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/30/amazon-will-truck-your-mas...

Re: How Google Is Challenging AWS

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Why would you want to move data between AWS and GCP using a hard drive? The networks between the two cloud providers are immense.

I didn't realize that they have direct connections. The AWS data center down the street (Virginia) is directly connected to some google cloud datacenter? Sorry - I'm generally ignorant of datacenter technology. So a back of envelope calculation says that it would take around 10 days to transfer 100 PiB over Gigabit ethernet. When you say immense, do you mean faster than that?

Transferring 100 PiB at 10 Gbps (1.3 GiB/s) takes 121 days.

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> But for a complex system, I prefer what Google will produce Having worked there in teams near to their tablets I really think Amazon would have a hard time producing software of the complexity of Android or Chrome.

To be fair, Amazon has developed a Silk browser for their Kindle Fire tablets.

Silk is a fork of Chromium, Amazon just piggy-backed on Google's hard work. Just like Fire OS itself (a fork of Android).

Re: How Google Is Challenging AWS

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Thanks for your comment and I want to say, though my comment was rather pointy, I respect the work all of you are doing and I do see a lot of improvement in the platform. I keep a local branch of the python-docs-sample repo and just took a gander to refresh my memory. Specifically I see a quite a few examples using class based views based from the webapp2 package. I don't think it's unreasonable to have this as a maj…

Thanks for the feedback, not pointy at all. You're right my original comment was misleading, most of the GAE Standard samples are webapp2, but that's because it comes built-in to the platform and can be specified in the app.yaml, so webapp2 doesn't require people to `pip -t` to vendor Flask into the project. It might be worth revisiting if some of those samples should be in Flask or in both. 1) Guessing you already k…

No thoughts on the Python 3 issue?

Re: How Google Is Challenging AWS

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very nice article. well articulated. not just tech but also the different business models(futuristic)

I can highly recommend subscribing to http://exponent.fm/ the weekly podcast Ben is hosting with James.

I concur. In fact, I find the podcast better than articles. I'm not sure why though. I think the conversational tone of the podcast is better. They attack the problem from different area and then hone in on the main point.

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To be fair, Amazon has developed a Silk browser for their Kindle Fire tablets.

Silk is a fork of Chromium, Amazon just piggy-backed on Google's hard work. Just like Fire OS itself (a fork of Android).

You mean the way Google piggy-packed on Apples work which in turn piggy-backed on KDEs work? Amazon did an extension to optimise rendering on small devices, which is complexity wise not too far off to what Apple & Google contributed to the rendering engines, which at the end is the tricky bit an a browser, not the Chrome.

Re: How Google Is Challenging AWS

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Silk is a fork of Chromium, Amazon just piggy-backed on Google's hard work. Just like Fire OS itself (a fork of Android).

You mean the way Google piggy-packed on Apples work which in turn piggy-backed on KDEs work? Amazon did an extension to optimise rendering on small devices, which is complexity wise not too far off to what Apple & Google contributed to the rendering engines, which at the end is the tricky bit an a browser, not the Chrome.

No. Google contributed massive amounts to the webkit code and built a full browser around it (including a state of the art javascript engine).

Silk is a different story.

Re: How Google Is Challenging AWS

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I definitely agree on your critique of the bandwidth claims, but the gist I got from that article was that custom instances outcompete AWS's reserved instances on price - i.e. per CPU and per GB memory, GCloud is cheaper. Is that not true?

Actually I do think that GCE offers cheaper instances, but the 50% overall price reduction claim is unsubstantiated. The author compared completely different instance types. Monthly discounts does make GCE cheaper but for many instance types without that discount it's actually more expensive on GCE.

I work on GCE — when I read that post I also thought the 50% was a bit generous, but your other comment made me curious. I ran some numbers and posted a reply over there: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13078157

tl; dr: Even matching instance types more closely, for on-demand pricing the 50% number held up remarkably well, although I'm worried that I got something wrong with my math on provisioned IOPS pricing, as a 10x difference seems unbelievably high.

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