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Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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I wonder if your wife ever tried medical marijuana? Many people use it to battle anxiety and in fact anxiety reduction is one of the effects, websites like Leafly rate cannabis strains in. Cannabis aids sleep, so this might also be some desired effect for your wife. Search for anxiety in reddit.com/r/trees and you'll see the amount of people who think it helps them.

I have no doubt that marijuana helps a great many people with their anxiety issues, but I recommend caution if you've never tried it before. Search for marijuana/weed in r/anxiety and you'll find many people that think marijuana made their anxiety worse, or caused it to manifest after a bad session.

As somebody that was diagnosed with a generalized anxiety disorder a couple of years ago, I've personally never tried it to see what the effect would be for me. Exercise, being honest about it with my spouse, and a "goal-oriented life" has been crucial to beating my own anxiety, so much so that it rarely affects my life anymore. In fact, most days I don't even think about it, which would have been hard to believe when it was at its worst after first being diagnosed.

Just to be clear, I'm not against using marijuana at all. If it helps your anxiety, great! I only write this as someone that frequents r/anxiety and has witnessed people there writing about both the good and the bad of marijuana.

Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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After a 10 year fight induced from stress, I can positively say that I'm free from it, just reading a page like this would have floored me 5 years ago. Some stuff I learned: - Stop* with coffee, for some reason tea does not the same thing to my body, coffee is like gasoline on the anxiety fire, I cant stress this point enough. - Stop* with nicotine, (almost) same as coffee - Stop* drinking, you need to stay strong 7…

>Start walking, at least 8km... dont walk when its dark outside, you need the sunlight. An 8km walk at a brisk walking pace is a little under an hour and a half (average 10k running times is about an hour). I get out of work at 5pm, and it's officially dark by 5:30pm. I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but this one is literally impossible for anyone in the northern latitudes (New York, Chicago, Seattle, London…

There's no rule that you have to do a specific amount, the same amount, at the same time, all at once, every day. Just break it up and relax.

Take a quick break from work in the mid-morning and walk outside for 15 minutes instead of drinking coffee. Go out for half an hour (or whatever) at lunchtime, go for another 15 min break in the afternoon instead of more coffee. Occasionally invite a coworker to go with you. If you can discuss business (on occasion) you can keep working while you walk. Then another 20 minutes in the dark after work.

And some days less, some days more, and extra on weekends.

The requirement to obey strict walking rules will end up CAUSING the anxiety it's supposed to relieve. Just make it a fun break and take fun breaks here and there when you can.

Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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I have holes in a few of my clothes. Today I went to a shop selling needles/yarn/wool/.., so I could fix them. I arrived at the shop, was too anxious to enter and left again. Guess the holes will have to stay.

What sort of things would you do if one day you manage to overcome anxiety?

I just want to stay at home programming, so it does not matter much

Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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Hi All, I thought I'd share my experience as someone who has been through anxiety and come through the other side. I was very lucky to have (and still have) a fantastic therapist to help and teach me. Why we get anxiety: I sure know how confusing anxiety can be! It doesn't feel like it comes from anywhere clear or that it has an obvious purpose... but in fact is is strangely systematic. Anxiety does two things (we wi…

I've had some brief (thankfully) periods of anxiety. Thought I'd add my experience to the pool here for completeness.

Most of your description feels familiar but there were some interesting nuances.

There were certainly situations, especially involving other people, that would trigger rather strong anxiety attacks. Sudden tunnelvision and extremely strong urge to get out of the situation. At the time I had no clue whatsoever why I would suddenly have this reactions. Years later reflecting on it I have realised it was probably only because the people, or situations, simply worked as reminders of things that I was subconsciously scared of. I imagine PTSD sufferers experience something similar when specific sounds, or smells, can be a trigger.

But there were also other attacks that were much, much worse. These times I was completely overwhelmed. My sense of self and reality would be gone, I was convinced that that the only thing keeping reality together at all was my mind, and if I didn't hold on and fight back I would reach a point were it all would simply dissolve, or lose cohesion somehow. I could do nothing at all but lie in my bed and try to hold on. Any sensory experience at all was unbearable, sound, sight, touch, I just desperately needed everything cut of to avoid overload.

I remember how my (now) wife would try to comfort me, gently stroking my hair as I was lying there curled up on the bed and even that simple sensation was too much for me to handle. How utterly helpless she must have felt.

In any case, this lasted for a few weeks as I recall it, and basically stopped entirely once was I was ready to seek help and learned that there is such as thing as panic attack. I guess just knowing it was a thing was enough to break a negative feedback loop.

Years later reflecting on it I'm thinking that the main contributor to these episodes was simply growing pains. I was twenty something at the time, probably going through both physiological, as well as psychological changes and things were just unstable during the transition. I think the periods also correlates with jumps in belief systems.

While I've always been "open minded" and kind of accepted both atheistic as well as christian beliefs as plausible, I was busy making room for both buddhistic and some decidedly occult narratives. I guess foundational refactoring like that would cause some temporary distress.

In summary, I guess I just wanted to say few things.

For those lacking the experience of true panic attack: It can be pretty bad, way beyond a state where "do the thing you are so scared of doing" even makes sense to talk about.

For those suffering from it now: Perhaps it helps to know that it's not just you, and one day it might be just an enriching experience you went through

And for those trying to treat it: Perhaps CBT is not the right tool to approach it in all cases, if the underlying issue really is subconscious conflicts there may be other ways to help with resolving/integrating them.

Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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> Start walking, at least 8km during weekdays day, in brisk pace, you should have to take a shower after. After each walk, do a workout, pushups, chins etc. Make this a priority, and dont walk when its dark outside, you need the sunlight. That's over 90 minutes walking every weekday plus time for the workout and clean-up after. Difficult to make time for and rather unpleasant in rain, bitter cold, and/or snow. There'…

I'm fully aware of this, I just had to get back to life before it all gone and this is what I did, it may not be the right thing for everybody, but I sincerely think that particular the training, being out during the day, strengthening my body, is what that final got me back on track. Its like reaching a threshold when everything is "snowballing" in the right direction.

> this is what I did, it may not be the right thing for everybody

That's great, I'm glad it's working for you. Conceptually, they all seem like good ideas but your expression was very prescriptive.

Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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There might be something that you can do - probiotics. There has been research that the microbiome is at least somehow linked to anxiety [1]. Not just any probiotic - there's a lot of unresearched crap being sold, some even dangerous (e.g. some soil based organisms can become opportunistic). I can recommend L. Plantarum 299v (this strain reportedly does not produce d-lactic acid, which is really desirable, as probiot…

I suspect you have been downvoted because some people may perceive your answer as a glib trivialization of a debilitating condition ('just pop a few probiotics and everything will be ok').

However, I have upvoted you because I agree that probiotics can play a part in coping with anxiety for some people.

I have experienced anxiety attacks for the last several years (including several full on panic attacks). For several years before the onset of the anxiety episodes I have also had IBS like symptoms (which continue to this day). I have noticed a clear link between the two (anxiety accompanied by nausea and frequent trips to the toilet). I could go into the disgusting detail but I won't.

To cut a long story short, I have found that consumption of high dose probiotics containing B longum has corresponded with a decline in sympton severity & frequency [1]. I am not suggesting that this is a cure (or that it will help all anxiety sufferers). Other things that help are reductions in caffeine & alcohol intake, increased exercise (the more extreme the better) and acceptance of the physiological symptoms of anxiety - it is easy to think that heart palpatations etc caused by anxiety are a result of genuine physiolgical issues (which in turn causes more anxiety).

[1] https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Robert_Lalonde/publicat...

Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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OK - I'll bite. I haven't seen anyone mention medications here but personally I use propranolol. Life. Changing. For the first while I took it every day as prescribed for my ET. 20mg. And as I experienced the first pill (effects kick in about 40 minutes after), I had this realization "wait a minute, this is what it must feel like to be a normal person"! That light bulb in itself was incredible. Before that, I hadn't…

> it was only after that I discovered the "off-label" anti-anxiety side-effects of beta blockers. Could you possibly comment on the degree and characteristics (degree of moment, frequency, spiking under stressful situations) of your essential tremor, as well as offer any additional depth on off-label treatments?

The tremor was something I was aware of since I was a kid, showed up in bad handwriting and general "clumsiness" with fine motor movements. Nobody ever thought much of it other than that I was "clumsy".

It wasn't until I was 27 that I started to wonder whether there was something actually wrong that might be a root cause for it. At this point the tremor was bad enough that at times I had trouble holding a fork to eat. The intensity of the symptoms could vary a great deal from day to day. Granted, I was in grad school at this time and my stress levels were pretty high. I did notice that alcohol made it better, but treatment with alcohol is contraindicated...

Got a referral to neurology dept and after they watched me do some drawing, arrived at the conclusion of the problem quite quickly.

For more off-label info, might have a look at Wikipedia page on beta blockers, it's pretty thorough. Turns out quite a few musicians use it for stage fright & dexterity.

Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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I'll second the walking when it is dark. I live in Norway. Tomorrow, the sun rises a bit after 9 and sets before 3. If you work first shift or office hours, you miss the light. This advice just isn't possible for some people. If you are finding that the season's darkness gets you, it is really a seperate issue. Vitamin D helps a lot of folks as does light therapy.

I know that in the real world, people have work to do, kids to fetch and all those things, but if you can, please try, its not just about the sunlight = Vitamin D, its also about the sensory input you get while walking, that is very soothing and distracting, everything calms down considerably during and after.

Yep, if you ever want a good nights sleep, go somewhere you haven't been before and spend a few hours walking around. Gets the mind working overtime, in a good subconscious way.

Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, so therapy has moved from lobotomies to... As I said, therapy seems to be devoid of any real definition.

psychotherapy is a form of treatment for many psychological disorders as defined by the DSM-V. The treatment varies based on the therapist's style and patient preference, but it always centers around talking to a licensed professional about the patient's feelings, behaviors, thoughts, dreams, fears. Through talking, the therapist can spot patterns of harmful and destructive beliefs and thought patterns. To use a bit…

BTW, NIMH has turned away from the DSM due to "lack of validity ".

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/directors/thomas-insel/blog/2...

If it's that inexact, I wouldn't call it science.

There's presently no standard objective laboratory test for Anxiety, Depression, or similar.

Re: Married to someone with anxiety

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> More evenings with no sleep, coupled with a 4 hour commute (both ways) means she is exhausted. This stood out to me - I cannot imagine the detrimental effect that 8 hours commuting per day has on one's mental health. I'm glad she was able to change jobs.

That would be impossible. I understood 4h total.

Oh, there are people forced to endure such commutes. For what it's worth, some school and university mates had 2-hour-plus one-way commutes.

Now add in the usual stuff like people throwing themselves in front of a train (happened quite often to those whose train passed by a mental health institution), random technology breakdowns (some parts of Munich S-Bahn operate on a single rail for both directions, it gets nasty when something happens), cops/paramedics attending to people on the train, idiots blocking the train doors and causing delays, car drivers too stupid to see the tramway approaching (and only waking up once the tram crashes into their car, blocking the single tram to the university)... the delay record, I believe, was something like six hours total what should have been 2,5h.

And those affected most by long commutes and the "random" (aka daily) service interruptions usually were those with not as much money as the rest - because living as a student in Munich is expensive as ... and many poorer students had to live in the hinterland of Munich with a bus driving only 4x a day or not at all, and because it's easy to hail a cab and say "ok, f..k that delay, I'm getting out, here's 50€ to get me to university" if you have the money.

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