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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by imron »

Frondo wrote: post #56
overgard wrote: post #26

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"The right thing". Tolerance means recognizing that people have different world views than your own. Sometimes the people you do business with have political opinions you don't agree with. The melodrama over Thiel's political opinions is pointless. If you demand Thiel steps down, are you personally just going to stop doing business with 49% of the country that voted differently? Personally I lean liberal, but I'm pre…

Tolerance means you aren't jailing people with different views than your own. Tolerance means you aren't out beating people up for having different views. Tolerance isn't about putting on a happy face and doing business with someone whose views you find odious. If people are no longer free to use words or social stigma to advance their views and opinion, because "tolerance," then what do we have left?

> Tolerance means you aren't out beating people up for having different views.

The overwhelming majority of the videos I have seen are Hillary supporters beating Trump supporters.

The supposedly "tolerant" side has been looking awfully intolerant of late.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by 234dd57d2c8db »

daxorid wrote: post #37
_pius wrote: post #9

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Great moral courage there. YC has a choice: do what IBM did in the 1930's or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust And before you say I'm "going Godwin," remember: It was Sam and Paul who've said they think Trump is a threat of similar proportions. If Sam really thinks that, the moral thing to do is cut ties. And yes, it'll be hard. Would have been easier to do before the election. It will only get…

What is going on with this community? I feel like I am taking proverbial crazy pills. Clinton advocated for a "Manhattan Project" scope effort to backdoor crypto. She wants no-fly zones over Syria, a place we have NO business being in, to directly provoke proxy wars with Russia. She is extremely antagonistic to freedom of association and free enterprise, and she LOVES the panopticon surveillance state we have. She is…

Please think of the children, minorities and women. You can ignore the 35% of hispanics who voted for Trump though. Those minorities don't count. Also Asians. Asians don't count as a minority either. Actually white women as well, since 53% of them voted for Trump. Did you know Hillary is a woman?

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by daxorid »

scrollaway wrote: post #83
daxorid wrote: post #37

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What is going on with this community? I feel like I am taking proverbial crazy pills. Clinton advocated for a "Manhattan Project" scope effort to backdoor crypto. She wants no-fly zones over Syria, a place we have NO business being in, to directly provoke proxy wars with Russia. She is extremely antagonistic to freedom of association and free enterprise, and she LOVES the panopticon surveillance state we have. She is…

The subthread you are replying to didn't mention Clinton. Didn't talk about Clinton. Didn't even say the word "Clinton" once. Yet your reply is entirely about Clinton. Why? You'll find that a lot of people in this community actively dislike Clinton. But after the election, she is now essentially irrelevant. So talking about her doesn't advance anything - talking about the upcoming president, however...

Because two days ago Clinton was the alternative. And all the anger in the community in the last 48 hours (and prior, in the case of Thiel and YC ) has been directed at those who selected against her. This will be relevant long after the election even if the topic is Trump, for obvious reasons.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by stormbeta »

RealGeek wrote: post #70
meritt wrote: post #21

This was obvious from the RNC speech and further reinforced when Thiel donated $1M to Trump. A contrarian bet, sure, but $1M is a pretty small price to pay to have a 50/50 shot at CTO of the USA. I'm sure he'll see a very significant ROI on his $1M once the government starts awarding contracts very conveniently to companies of which he owns a portion. I had very negative feelings about Thiel, and those were magnified…

> I'm sure he'll see a very significant ROI on his $1M once the government starts awarding contracts very conveniently to companies of which he owns a portion. Wasn't Trump rallying against such crony corruption aka 'pay for play'?

Sure. But nobody who paid attention to how Trump has done business in the past actually believed a word of it. And now we're being proven right.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by rodgerd »

woofyman wrote: post #95

I don't understand how a gay man can support a political party who's platform wants to reverse marriage equality.

The Nazis put most homosexuals in the camps (and the Allies put them back in jail when they emptied the camps) , but Goering did pretty well out of it.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by Klockan »

revelation wrote: post #92
darawk wrote: post #34

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No he didn't. He suggested, correctly, that women getting the vote was bad for libertarians, because women vote against it. If you read the quote in context, that is very clearly what he's saying.

The quote explicitly names "women getting the vote" as one of the factors that has turned ".. democracy" into an "oxymoron". Picking and choosing in or out groups is not "democracy".

You left out "capitalist democracy", his point is that capitalism and democracy are mutually exclusive concepts when women are allowed to vote since they tend to vote for socialism.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by ubernostrum »

jerf wrote: post #106
ubernostrum wrote: post #59

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You're right. Trump doesn't believe Hitler did nothing wrong. He's just the overwhelmingly preferred candidate of people who believe Hitler did nothing wrong. It's an important difference! Those people obviously voted for him while believing he would never actually act on the things they care about!

Going Godwin again doesn't make the argument any better. This is what all those news articles lately have been about. You're too insulated from the rest of the country if you seriously think ~50% of the nation just voted for Hitler. That card's played out... every Republican's been [expletive] Hitler if you listen to the Democrats. That's election propaganda. Time to put that away. I mean, ideally we wouldn't all swa…

So you're telling me it was a ridiculous liberal myth that David Duke supported Trump? That since the election results came in large numbers of people have reported increased harassment and threats of violence based on their apparent race, religion or national origin? That the Trump campaign refused to disavow the xenophobic tendencies of some vocal supporters?

I'd love to find out that it was all 100% manufactured and none of it ever happened or was true. But, y'know, it all did happen and was true. And it elected a candidate who began his campaign on explicitly racist (build a wall and deport all the "Mexican rapists") and xenophobic (ban all the Muslims) lines.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by vinay427 »

baddox wrote: post #129
meritt wrote: post #21

This was obvious from the RNC speech and further reinforced when Thiel donated $1M to Trump. A contrarian bet, sure, but $1M is a pretty small price to pay to have a 50/50 shot at CTO of the USA. I'm sure he'll see a very significant ROI on his $1M once the government starts awarding contracts very conveniently to companies of which he owns a portion. I had very negative feelings about Thiel, and those were magnified…

Shrewd seems unfair. Political views and ethics aside, it turns out he's a genius.

I think that is what the parent comment meant by using shrewd in contrast with negative:

> I had very negative feelings about Thiel, [...] but I'll at least concede he's a very shrewd individual.

Also, the Oxford definition for shrewd:

> Having or showing sharp powers of judgement; astute:

Source: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/shrewd

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by ubernostrum »

rayiner wrote: post #117
ubernostrum wrote: post #54

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Serious question: is there any action he could take, any line he could cross, literally anything he could do or say that would ever, in your mind, be sufficient to justify refusing to associate with him?

He could have voted for a war (that more than a fifth of the Senate opposed) that cost trillions of dollars and cost hundreds of thousands of lives.

But... that would mean you'd disassociate from Hillary Clinton. Over political views.

Gasp! Shock! Clutch my pearls and fetch the smelling salts! How dare you be so intolerant as to suggest someone should be ostracized over mere expression of a political opinion!

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by 234dd57d2c8db »

scrollaway wrote: post #102
jerf wrote: post #49

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Yes, you went Godwin. Trump isn't Hitler. That's election propaganda, not truth. Election's over. Time to put the election propaganda away. Now, you might still not like him. Heck, let me take a bold step and say you won't like him. He will do things you won't like. Welcome to the real world. My government's been doing things I don't like my entire life. (Along with all the things I do like.) But I rate the odds that…

> In the event that he really does turn into Hitler, I promise to stand up to stop him along with all the other people who will. Well, that's nice - although you just agreed to something you believe won't happen. I don't believe he will, either; but are you standing up to what his electorate is doing? http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/11/trump-voters-threatened-wome... Take it from someone who saw what Brexit did to the U…

Oh yes, because surely it's only those evil Trump supporters who are the bad guys! As you can see here a wild pack of trump supports are attacking a poor old hillary supporter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnQNFBHHs6w

Oh wait no, sorry, that's a group of leftists literally beating up an old man 10v1 because he's white and might have voted for Trump. Sorry, you were saying something about people not fearing repercussions?

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