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Re: Video Games Are Boring

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Post by grosbisou »

neap24 wrote: post #52
grosbisou wrote: post #21

I stopped playing video games like 10 years ago for the same reason stated in this article: I couldn't finish any new game I started. But I recently started to play again after years of no touching one. I weirdly enough I love it again. I can play solo games, enjoy them and finish them. I can play online games and enjoy the competition. I think a lot has to do with how people cannot focus anymore on anything more tha…

It seems like relatively fewer kids today are getting immersed in the worlds of Zelda and long RPG games. I certainly agree that lack of attention span has something to do with it.

I think you're absolutely right. Lack of attention makes it impossible to immerse yourself into anything. Even something as fun and beautiful as video games.

Re: Video Games Are Boring

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Post by grosbisou »

Vaskivo wrote: post #51
grosbisou wrote: post #21

I stopped playing video games like 10 years ago for the same reason stated in this article: I couldn't finish any new game I started. But I recently started to play again after years of no touching one. I weirdly enough I love it again. I can play solo games, enjoy them and finish them. I can play online games and enjoy the competition. I think a lot has to do with how people cannot focus anymore on anything more tha…

What game(s) brought you back?

I actually played Chrono Trigger out of nostalgia. I was actually sure I would give up along the way as before... And I didn't. I was really into it and I had a lot of fun.

I then ordered a ps4 and I am catching up on everything I missed! ;)

Re: Video Games Are Boring

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Post by torkable »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #123
brador wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moat modern games are made to sell. If the buyers are looking for X then it makes sense that a business should provide them with X to turn the most profit. If females, or anyone, wants separate gameplay mechanics then they need to reward that with cold cash to build an economy and incentivize creation. Else it's all just words and forcing a square block into a circle hole. Cash is the only way to lasting change (see…

The first decade of computer games, the all-time best-seller was King's Quest. It wasn't combat-related. It was problem-solving. It sold double what anything else had ever sold. Because girls liked it too. That was all it took to be #1 - double your demographic.

[Citation needed] lol

Re: Video Games Are Boring

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Post by torkable »

dota wrote: post #85
emp_zealoth wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple - don't buy AAA (apart from very few select titles) because 99% of those is rehashed garbage and cliches Buy gamess from small studios, made by a few people or even one guy, usually a lot of them are in Steam Early Access (yes, it is risky, some of them get abandoned or just never improve much) For me this is like a reneissance in gaming. Have a look at Factorio, Starbound, Rimworld, Banished, Pillars of Etern…

I also play Dota 2 on and off, since multiplayer interactions in it are so intense and so unpredictable It's a shame to see how AAA companies have butchered the Dota-like genre. There's Valve's Dota 2 which is the shining example of what the genre should be and then there's all these garbage rehashes out there that have just tried to dumb down the game or introduce some kind of gimmick or cliche. AAA games are just a…

Dota 2 is tired old garbage lol

Re: Video Games Are Boring

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Post by mercer »

advantark2 wrote: post #126
edblarney wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though I agree with what you say - I would say that the conventions of games are gender oriented. They are made by guys, for guys, and girls can play along. The 'mission orientation' - the 'guns/violence' - and 'sports' - while not exclusively a guy thing - they are definitely guy-leaning. Let me say it differently: if you took a totally random sample of girls and gave them each $100M to go off and build the 'best ga…

The idea that games are made for guys is in itself sexist, is it not? They're just games, and you're free to interpret them however you'd like.

I don't know if it's sexist. If it's a fact, it's just an observation. Facts should ideally not be sexist (although I understand the can of worms such a statement might open).

I'm inclined to believe that gaming in general is tilted towards the things that men like (whether culturally or biologically). And I'd welcome game producers/financiers/whatever to invest in games that offer things that traditionally non-gamers would be into, but I can also understand that those kinds of projects are riskier than going for an existing market.

Re: Video Games Are Boring

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Post by talmand »

ConceptJunkie wrote: post #121
arkitaip wrote: post #8

This captures a lot of what I've been feeling lately. I can't stand most games, they just make me anxious and I will quit playing them after a few hours or even minutes. Too much stress and surface experiences has had me looking in the other direction. Take, for example, GTA 5. I've probably spent more hours riding cars and bikes in GTA5's beautiful countryside and outback than playing actual missions. Just hours and…

You raise a good point. I would never purchase a GTA game because I find the whole concept morally offensive, but I am very intrigued by the exploration aspect you have described. I would love to see more focus on exploration in games. A lot of RPGs (like the Elder Scrolls series) have significant aspects of exploration to them, but tend to get bogged down in the fetch-it quests or lots of repetitive hack-and-slay. I…

GTA5 is the kind of game that the adventures the player takes on says more about the player than the game itself. Sure, you can run around causing mass chaos and deaths; but you can also do none of those things. Once you reach a point in the game, I forget how far into it, you choose what to do.

Want to drive around town obeying the laws and enjoy the sites? Do that.

Want to partake in multiple instances of non-violent side missions such as racing, skydiving, and more? Do that.

Want to stand at the boardwalk on the beach and watch people walk by while enjoying the setting sun? Do that.

Want to take flying lessons? Do that.

How about some tennis or golf? Do that.

At one point in the game you can even do yoga for crap's sake. There are actually several examples of exploration-type tasks that you seem to be interested in as well. There's a great deal more to GTA5 than the violence you hear about from people, that only focus on that one topic, that have a narrative and rhetoric to push on people for their own agendas.

Still have negative opinions towards GTA5 because of moral reasons? That's cool too. But consider you may be missing out on tons of stuff you would actually enjoy because you might dismiss it immediately for reasons.

Re: Video Games Are Boring

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Post by emodendroket »

GnarfGnarf wrote: post #19

Yes! The emperor has no clothes. I think video games are laymen's attempt at capturing the magic of controlling a computer. Why waste your time with boring games when you can write computer programs? I'd rather program than play computer games. Programming is the ultimate game.

That's not what the article says at all.

Re: Video Games Are Boring

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Post by mercer »

edblarney wrote: post #127
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first decade of computer games, the all-time best-seller was King's Quest. It wasn't combat-related. It was problem-solving. It sold double what anything else had ever sold. Because girls liked it too. That was all it took to be #1 - double your demographic.

If memory serves me, the #1 selling game of all time is Tetris, and it's 50/50 guys girls. Could be wrong.

The Sims did pretty well too, didn't it, and it was quite popular with the female demographic. I vaguely recall something similar for Myst and the genre it created (not to mention the traditional adventure games).

Re: Video Games Are Boring

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Post by emodendroket »

saint_fiasco wrote: post #93
Vaskivo wrote: post #46

This article is weird. It sort of addresses the solution to it's problem while it's problem is also almost non-existant. 1 - not every medium is for everybody. Getting my friends to play videogames (or getting my few gamer friends to play niche/weird game I recommend) is something I already gave up. I don't dislike cinema, but most of the movies the are made simply don't appeal to me. There's nothing wrong with cinem…

I think the author wants some validation and acknowledgement that a high-brow exists. Some of her friends thought the entire videogame industry is low-brow and the author says, quoting Tim Gunn, "this is a design failure and not a customer issue".

Well, frankly, narratively video games rarely even rise to the level of genre fiction (and the best ones stop somewhere around there) and I have a hard time taking claims about highbrow art seriously from somebody who claims that novels and cinema are now irrelevant because our lives are unpredictable.

Re: Video Games Are Boring

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Post by pessimizer »

advantark2 wrote: post #126
edblarney wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though I agree with what you say - I would say that the conventions of games are gender oriented. They are made by guys, for guys, and girls can play along. The 'mission orientation' - the 'guns/violence' - and 'sports' - while not exclusively a guy thing - they are definitely guy-leaning. Let me say it differently: if you took a totally random sample of girls and gave them each $100M to go off and build the 'best ga…

The idea that games are made for guys is in itself sexist, is it not? They're just games, and you're free to interpret them however you'd like.

Only if the idea that tampons are made for women is sexist. It's just an absorbent object, and you're free to use it how you like.

These products weren't things that exploded from a volcano, or discovered in the center of an apple pulled from a tree. They were created by people to attract other people enough to surrender cash.

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