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Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by EpicEng »

blockoperation wrote: post #109
andromeduck wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've had the best 3D drivers on Linux for years. There were issues with Optimus and Ion but IIRC a lot of it was legal and issues with Linux's driver infra back then meant it required far more effort than it was worth at the time.

Their drivers might work, but saying to users "here, load this giant blob with a history of privesc bugs into your kernel" isn't what I'd call "supporting Linux". Meanwhile, AMD are active contributors to Mesa and DRM, which benefits everyone.

I wish they'd open things up too, but it's there prerogative, and Linux repesents a minuscule share of their market. The fact that they support it in the way they do today is surprising.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by rocqua »

pizza234 wrote: post #36
brink wrote: post #6

On a related note; I can't even use NVidia's "Geforce Experience" any more without logging in. Thanks for that, NVidia. Just what I wanted; a driver tool that forces me to log in.

As a workaround, you can download v2 (and prevent the updates). I think the games data(base) used is the same, so you can obtain the same acceleration, without the hassles of v3.

I did that a while back. My current version of experience has decided that, upon opening it, I will either upgrade or do nothing.

For now I have shadowplay set up correctly, but any changes aren't gonna be happening it seems.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by michaelt »

Figs wrote: post #125
michaelt wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My employer took took a shipment of fifteen Dell computers a few months ago - with ATI Radeon HD 8570 graphics cards (3 years old, with DP 1.2 and 4k support so not obsolete by any means, and certified for Ubuntu 14.04 [1]) Then Ubuntu 16.04 comes out, and guess what? No fglrx driver support any more [2] and users report the open source drivers use about a core and a half worth of CPU, slowing down their entire machi…

14.04 just switched to the 16.04 graphics stack a couple months back -- do your drivers still work after that update?

IIRC the users who switched back to 14.04 also had to downgrade Xorg [1]

[1] https://askubuntu.com/a/815592

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by voltagex_ »

andromeduck wrote: post #87
r1ch wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When such telemetry exposes the names of programs you are running and is sent unencrypted, it's a big deal. Coupled with very specific hardware information, this could easily be used to track TOR users for example.

Doubt it's tracking all applications. Probably only GPU heavy ones like games, CAD and creative tools like Photoshop and Premiere.

Except to make that kind of statement you need to back it up with evidence. From one of the other articles it looks like they now use TLS so you'll need your own MITM cert and Wireshark.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by everyone »

brink wrote: post #6

On a related note; I can't even use NVidia's "Geforce Experience" any more without logging in. Thanks for that, NVidia. Just what I wanted; a driver tool that forces me to log in.

I just install the drivers manually now. I always hated Geforce Experience anyway. Crazy amount of bloat for some drivers.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by everyone »

frik wrote: post #63
swiley wrote: post #53

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I think most of the people who care about this sort of thing don't play games much anymore or are just used to it. Most games do something similar now.

I still use Win7, and usually deactivate analytics. I heard Win10 store fails big time - have you heard the story of the new "Call of Duty" game cannot be played in multiplayer together with non-Win10Store users - mind you the majority uses Steam. It's a sad trend. In general analytics are useful, but the should be opt-in. And usually a crash reporting would be enough, right? But they are all abusing it by sending to…

Same. Hopefully by the time win 7 is not supported gaming on Linux will have total parity with windows.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by boomboomsubban »

michaelt wrote: post #124
random_rr wrote: post #62

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Holy moly, I thought that this post was a joke for sure - and then I checked out GeForce Experience. Uninstalled. Never to be reinstalled. AMD will be my next card. Thanks nVidia for letting me know what you think of me :)

My employer took took a shipment of fifteen Dell computers a few months ago - with ATI Radeon HD 8570 graphics cards (3 years old, with DP 1.2 and 4k support so not obsolete by any means, and certified for Ubuntu 14.04 [1]) Then Ubuntu 16.04 comes out, and guess what? No fglrx driver support any more [2] and users report the open source drivers use about a core and a half worth of CPU, slowing down their entire machi…

The open source drivers aren't configured correctly, Southern islands cards are close to feature complete with Radeon. Turn on DRI 3 and glamor.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by drdaeman »

rasz_pl wrote: post #119
eswat wrote: post #35

Maybe I haven’t looked hard enough, but I’m surprised this and the forced login for GeForce Experience didn’t make a bigger wave amongst gamers, who’ve historically been very vocal about questionable decisions that provide far more value to the business than to the gamers.

gamers vocal? they are sheep, they accepted mouse drivers calling home to the mothership before (only complain was a bug causing mouse jerkiness when connection goes offline).

It's probably off-topic but I'm still curious... Which vendor's drivers that was?

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by lightedman »

frik wrote: post #63
swiley wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most of the people who care about this sort of thing don't play games much anymore or are just used to it. Most games do something similar now.

I still use Win7, and usually deactivate analytics. I heard Win10 store fails big time - have you heard the story of the new "Call of Duty" game cannot be played in multiplayer together with non-Win10Store users - mind you the majority uses Steam. It's a sad trend. In general analytics are useful, but the should be opt-in. And usually a crash reporting would be enough, right? But they are all abusing it by sending to…

"I heard Win10 store fails big time - have you heard the story of the new "Call of Duty" game cannot be played in multiplayer together with non-Win10Store users - mind you the majority uses Steam."

Man, that sounds like a breach of Magnusson-Moss, and anti-competitive at that.

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