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Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by blktiger »

vacri wrote: post #96
grzm wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it has a display component. I don't see how that implies it must always be used by looking at it. Keys (usually) have labels on them, yet many people don't use the labels as reference once they're accustomed to touch typing. Learning key commands can be a chore, requiring use of the manual or discovery through menus. Do you remember cards provided with some applications that included lists of command key command…

You're missing the 'physical feedback' component. People don't need to look at labels on keys, because they can feel the keys. A smooth bit of touchscreen has no 'landmarks' to orient yourself with. > I completely agree that it is a new input device. Just not completely new Yep. Lenovo introduced one a couple of years ago in their X1 Carbons. It was hated so much that it was stripped out of the next gen. Ultimately,…

In theory, you wouldn't need landmarks because the keys below are the landmarks. Unfortunately, the dynamic actions don't seem to line up with the number keys so I don't know how that will work in practice.

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by dsego »

johnhenry wrote: post #88
madeofpalk wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve Jobs, in 2008, on why touchscreen iMacs are bad http://www.technologizer.com/2008/10/14/my-question-with-ste... Steve Jobs, in 2010, on why touchscreen laptops are bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeNsqqKadQ4 Jonny Ive, last week, on why touchscreen laptops are bad https://www.cnet.com/special-reports/jony-ive-talks-about-pu...

Steve Jobs, in 2003, on why tablets are bad http://thenextweb.com/apple/2013/10/11/hear-steve-jobs-convi... Apple stood by this conviction until they started selling iPads. It's likely that they will maintain their position against touchscreen laptops only until they can make a reasonable profit selling them. I speculate that the reason for Apple not currently producing them, more than anything else, has to do with t…

He says tablets are good for consuming information, but not for inputing, because typing is faster than handwriting. That seems to coincide with iPad's intended usage, which is media and web.

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by benologist »

nom wrote: post #10
gedy wrote: post #7

I'd consider the touchbar more useful for UI interaction if it were instead in either: - The trackpad - The bottom 1" of the laptop screen

Or the spacebar!

They could also have built the fingerprint reader into a key, judging by how Sony puts them inside power buttons. That would have been classy!

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by jerf »

madaxe_again wrote: post #100
Mayzie wrote: post #18

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Don't give anyone ideas.

Of course it'll be done. Here I am with an iPhone 6s, and on the average site I see less content than I did on WAP - many sites are 80/20 or worse on mobile. How long until hardware manufacturers include dedicated advertising displays in exchange for cheaper up-front hardware?

"How long until hardware manufacturers include dedicated advertising displays in exchange for cheaper up-front hardware?"

1999: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/30/business/no-more-giveaway-...

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by [deleted] »

squidi wrote: post #89
mirkules wrote: post #72

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Smartphones and tablets undid years of training on my coworkers to stop touching my screen. I just gave up and now always keep a microfiber wipe or rag next to my screen.

How can we explain these people that like to point at a laptop screen with a pen? I'm mortified every time I see it.

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Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by travv0 »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #68
awalGarg wrote: post #48

So... just about the touchbar and not this particular project: The touchbar is on the keyboard, almost perpendicularly (and many times at an obtuse angle) opposite to the screen. So I have to move my head up and down all the time. This is not an issue with the regular keyboard because it has physical buttons which don't change their meaning, so I have memorized the layout and I can use my muscle memory. To avoid movi…

Good observation. Look at the image[1] on the Apple website showing off the Touch Bar on the new MacBook Pro. Nobody I know uses their laptop oriented perpendicular to their desk. One good vantage point to view the Touch Bar is standing behind the user looking over the their shoulder. 1. http://i.imgur.com/1iqXNZE.png

Look down at your functions keys. Surely you can read them just fine without being directly over them?

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by jablan »

vacri wrote: post #96
grzm wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it has a display component. I don't see how that implies it must always be used by looking at it. Keys (usually) have labels on them, yet many people don't use the labels as reference once they're accustomed to touch typing. Learning key commands can be a chore, requiring use of the manual or discovery through menus. Do you remember cards provided with some applications that included lists of command key command…

You're missing the 'physical feedback' component. People don't need to look at labels on keys, because they can feel the keys. A smooth bit of touchscreen has no 'landmarks' to orient yourself with. > I completely agree that it is a new input device. Just not completely new Yep. Lenovo introduced one a couple of years ago in their X1 Carbons. It was hated so much that it was stripped out of the next gen. Ultimately,…

> a pair of volume buttons

If any manufacturer would _really_ want to improve usability, they would give us back the volume knob.

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by gurkendoktor »

dsego wrote: post #132
johnhenry wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve Jobs, in 2003, on why tablets are bad http://thenextweb.com/apple/2013/10/11/hear-steve-jobs-convi... Apple stood by this conviction until they started selling iPads. It's likely that they will maintain their position against touchscreen laptops only until they can make a reasonable profit selling them. I speculate that the reason for Apple not currently producing them, more than anything else, has to do with t…

He says tablets are good for consuming information, but not for inputing, because typing is faster than handwriting. That seems to coincide with iPad's intended usage, which is media and web.

That's how I've always used my iPads, but Apple also intends people to use iPads like this (mostly the Pro models):

http://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/experience/

Word and Excel running on the 9.7" iPad with a keyboard is pretty much the opposite of what I'd ever buy an iPad for.

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by gurkendoktor »

scoot wrote: post #99
scottmf wrote: post #92

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That doesn't make sense. Apple has never been afraid to cannibalize a product line.

Apple under Jobs was never afraid to cannibalize a product line.

Do you think Jobs had already planned to cannibalise the 7" iPad by focusing on 5.5" phones?
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