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Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by progman »

jernfrost wrote: post #33

I am hoping that with cross platform Swift we can start seeing more libraries to help us port Mac apps to Linux. I am a Mac developer but I'd love to make stuff available on Linux. I really like Linux as a backup plan, in case Apple totally drops the ball on professionals on the Mac. The Linux desktop is getting pretty good, but it lacks well designed high quality GUI applications. If porting to Linux was done easier…

FYI macbuntu: Howto make Ubuntu look like OSX

http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/macbuntu-transform-ubuntu...

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by swiley »

endymi0n wrote: post #128
swiley wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a better way to handle this is to show people how to use the command line. That does have a cohesive look and feel and is generally very well behaved compared to nearly anything else. Unfortunately that seems to scare people away so everyone hacks GUIs together to keep them from running and that's how we got to where we are now.

Have fun editing HDR footage or cutting samples on the command line. Don't get me wrong, but MacOS is exactly my platform of choice because I can have a sane POSIX command line as well as a color managed display and high resolution, low latency multichannel audio on the very same computer and can switch effortlessly.

You're actually manipulating graphical data though, in that situation a GUI makes a lot of sense. Using a GUI for editing E-mail or joining a WI-FI network is silly, just like it is for most things people do with computers.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by banach »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #26
kevinherron wrote: post #8

This is neat, but I can't think of a single non-GUI tool on OS X that I need or doesn't have an equivalent in Linux...

Every non-GUI tool I use on my mac is installed via homebrew, so I would agree. Oh, except caffeinate. :)

Caffeine is available on Cask:

  brew cask install caffeine

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by ollyfg »

babuskov wrote: post #125
riprowan wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is my problem. Audio editing on Linux is a joke. For everything else I do, Linux can get me there. So I need a Mac or a PC as an audio editor? Might as well just get a Mac or a PC. I'll have to maintain it anyway, and it can do everything Linux can do, plus probably be better supported.

What about video editing? I mean, I can live with Audacity for my basic needs, but I can't find anything simple as iMovie. Or should I just bite the bullet and learn Blender? Does it have preset screen transitions and stuff like that?

Have you tried openshot[1]? I haven't played much with it recently, but when it came out it was the most stable, simple video editor for linux.

[1] http://openshot.org/

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by loeg »

jhbadger wrote: post #7

Is there anything the other way around? Running a Linux binary on MacOS? Sometimes the source isn't available so recompiling isn't an option.

It shouldn't be too hard if Apple is interested. The Linux ABI is pretty stable. FreeBSD and Windows both do Linux binary emulation well enough to run most Linux binaries.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by toufka »

swiley wrote: post #126
paulddraper wrote: post #122

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Doubtful. I like text interfaces as much as the next nerd, but most people want to interact with a computer intuitively: see a thing and interact with that thing. In other words, "point and click". (Or just "point" if it's a touchscreen.) My 2 year old doesn't know the first thing about computers, but he'll jab his finger at the screen when he sees something he likes.

I don't know, language seems fairly intuitive but it's not in style. The only people who really struggle with it are illiterate. (ex: very young children) In those situations you really do need a special UI that will be frustrating for normal people.

That's a strong criticizm. There are a lot of equally valid linguistic ways to view the contents of a directory. But only one grammatical and lexical way to command the computer to do it with text.

'Open folder', 'show contents', 'see items', why does 'ls' make more sense? It certainly has nothing to do with literacy.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by Mister_Snuggles »

babuskov wrote: post #125
riprowan wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is my problem. Audio editing on Linux is a joke. For everything else I do, Linux can get me there. So I need a Mac or a PC as an audio editor? Might as well just get a Mac or a PC. I'll have to maintain it anyway, and it can do everything Linux can do, plus probably be better supported.

What about video editing? I mean, I can live with Audacity for my basic needs, but I can't find anything simple as iMovie. Or should I just bite the bullet and learn Blender? Does it have preset screen transitions and stuff like that?

I've had great success with Kdenlive. It's not as simple as iMovie, but it isn't too hard to get started.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by zanny »

babuskov wrote: post #125
riprowan wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is my problem. Audio editing on Linux is a joke. For everything else I do, Linux can get me there. So I need a Mac or a PC as an audio editor? Might as well just get a Mac or a PC. I'll have to maintain it anyway, and it can do everything Linux can do, plus probably be better supported.

What about video editing? I mean, I can live with Audacity for my basic needs, but I can't find anything simple as iMovie. Or should I just bite the bullet and learn Blender? Does it have preset screen transitions and stuff like that?

Blender is 3d modeling and animation, vastly divergent from video editing with kdenlive / openshot / etc.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by swiley »

toufka wrote: post #137
swiley wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, language seems fairly intuitive but it's not in style. The only people who really struggle with it are illiterate. (ex: very young children) In those situations you really do need a special UI that will be frustrating for normal people.

That's a strong criticizm. There are a lot of equally valid linguistic ways to view the contents of a directory. But only one grammatical and lexical way to command the computer to do it with text. 'Open folder', 'show contents', 'see items', why does 'ls' make more sense? It certainly has nothing to do with literacy.

The same can be said for GUIs though, look at how different mobile GUIs and desktop GUIs are. It's actually a real problem that people think their GUI is intuitive, they never end up documenting it. CLI app authors know this and are forced to face reality and at least write usage text.
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