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FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by refurb »

pistle wrote: post #56
iLoch wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Impeachment in all likelihood.

If you can garner the votes in the legislature. If a majority of the house files charges, 2/3 of the senate has to vote in favor. The house seems likely, but it will be the drama of the century to get through the senate going ahead with it, etc. In the current climate, unless a big group of Democrats in the house side with the Republicans on the charges, it can sloughed off as partisan BS. We'd also probably need som…

it can sloughed off as partisan BS

Maybe.... but do the Democrats really want a President that is constantly questioned in terms of her ethics?

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by goostavos »

tdb7893 wrote: post #97
cmsimike wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always voted democrat as "the lesser of two evils" but this email situation has really ruffled my feathers (and is why I am voting third party). I get that there is favoritism in everything, but the idea that Hillary (at least before looked like she) walked away scott-free after committing what I believe to be a very serious crime whereas any one of us in a similar situation would have been thrown in jail right…

I don't think most people would be jailed for it. There's no evidence of it being malicious so as my dad (who was in the military) put it, "if the government jailed people for doing things that were stupid there would be no one left".

You have _a lot_ more faith in the sanity of the Government than I do. Hell, I mean, the FBI statement itself said,

"Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case"

If a normal citizen were to have done the same -- a citizen which didn't have the same profile, stature, or benefits of connection as Hilary, the "reasonable-ness" from the prosecution's vantage point would likely sky rocket.

People are jailed for far less round these parts.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by MaxfordAndSons »

danenania wrote: post #116

Ok, so Hillary Clinton was and continues to be a corrupt, deceitful, and self-interested operator. She's doubtlessly done all kinds of both borderline and outright illegal things throughout her career. No big surprise here. If elected, she will continue to work the highly imperfect system we've got in lots of shady and questionable ways. But please, let's get real. For all her numerous faults, her opponent represents…

This type of comment tends to get down voted on HN, as is already happening. FWIW I agree with you, but the dispassionate rationalists among us will argue that equally applying the rule of law is more important that preventing a potentially dangerous demagogue from taking power. Of course, theres no way that the a trial could occur, let alone an investigation be completed, before the election at this point, so that argument doesn't really apply IMO. If HRC loses because of this, it will simply have been a trial by public opinion, not the rule of law.

Others could also argue that, despite his statements that have shown utter contempt for and ignorance of American law, history and political norms, he doesn't actually have a track record in one direction or another and is just saying those things to elicit support from his base. We can only hope...

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by maxerickson »

pwg wrote: post #20
danvoell wrote: post #9

"In connection with an unrelated case, the FBI has learned of the existence of emails" - Sounds very happenstance. What are the odds something coincidental happened two weeks before the election?

What is the probability that "an unrelated case" is political speak for "wikileaks"?

Pete Williams, NBC's reporter that has sources at the Department of Justice, is reporting that it isn't about wikileaks or emails that Clinton sent.

http://www.vox.com/2016/10/28/13458382/fbi-hillary-clinton

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by perseusprime11 »

downandout wrote: post #126

Unless an indictment comes down before Election Day, I think it's probably too late for this to have any material impact. Most likely Clinton voters aren't actually Clinton voters - they are anti-Trump voters. An indictment prior to the election would change things, but that will not happen. Clinton has almost no chance of losing. Once she wins, she will then either short circuit the investigation by forcing Comey an…

“We live in a world where there is more and more information, and less and less meaning.” ― Jean Baudrillard, Simulacra and Simulation

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by parineum »

kreneskyp wrote: post #123
okreallywtf wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I get this sentiment, I would honestly like to know if you feel she has been judged fairly and consistently compared to other email related scandals out there. Most notably the bush white house emails [1] and Colin Powell's use of a personal email account (if not a personal server, though in some ways using an AOL email server has other complications over a private server)[2] I'm not saying the email scandal is…

You left out Petraeus who did worse and still only received probation. The reality is that most cases of mishandling classified information result in little more than a stern talking to from your manager, re-training, and a blemish in your file.

Probation means charges and conviction.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by ls66 »

woodruffw wrote: post #29

I find Comey's decision to disclose this new investigation less than 2 weeks from election day extremely perplexing. By all means, perform your investigation, but to announce it immediately before what's arguably one of the most important elections in modern US history? If I were a paranoid man, I'd say that this looks like an attempt by an unelected official to prejudice voters.

Actually, saving the worst until just right before the election could be interpreted as saying 'hey I did my job and didn't wait until after' while still ensuring that any investigation and finding would not happen until someone with a pretty safe lead is elected.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by return0 »

downandout wrote: post #126

Unless an indictment comes down before Election Day, I think it's probably too late for this to have any material impact. Most likely Clinton voters aren't actually Clinton voters - they are anti-Trump voters. An indictment prior to the election would change things, but that will not happen. Clinton has almost no chance of losing. Once she wins, she will then either short circuit the investigation by forcing Comey an…

> voters aren't actually Clinton voters - they are anti-Trump voters

Has any poll looked into this ?

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by pjc50 »

insickness wrote: post #17
mzw_mzw wrote: post #7

That was a very strange article with all the near-wishful "igniting speculation about a Clinton defeat" stuff. The whole emails issue has been inside baseball, politics-wise. Insiders and pundits love yelling about it but average voters either don't care (the vast majority) or have already assumed she's guilty/not guilty and priced that into their vote. Reopening the investigation is not going to change the election…

> average voters either don't care What were you saying about 'wishful thinking?' A presidential candidate under FBI investigation on election day is huge.

Both the candidates are under investigation.

http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/

I'm inclined to agree that it's not going to make much difference; how people vote is more determined by their social group loyalties, especially when things are as fraught as they are already.

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