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Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by Mithaldu »

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #117
idanb wrote: post #108

I recently bought a Samsung Edge for Samsung Gear development, and went abroad for a few weeks so ended up using it with the SIM card for that country while still keeping my phone alive. Apart from the benefits of the edge "design" not being too relevant for me, the biggest issue I had was accidentally hitting notifications when I pulled the phone out of my pocket. At one point I somehow accidentally deleted an app,…

I had a similar issue with places Android phones typically place a standalone "back" button, the bottom right of a phone. When reaching across the phone with my thumb I would constantly bump this back button. The experience was so frustrating on a Galaxy S3 that I change to an iPhone. I wondered if they have done enough user experience researching how people use the phone. I can't believe I'm the only person who ran…

Same, even with a small and narrow android phone i have to consciously make a spider-like gesture to reach anything on the left side of the screen and sometimes trigger finds just by holding it by the edges because the screen is so close to the edges.

A phone with even less space around the screen would just drive me entirely mad.

And to think, just a few years ago with the E6-00 i had a phone that i could operate mostly blind. Nowadays i can't even take my phone out of the pocket without being careful and conscious about it.

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by Mithaldu »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #48

Things I don't particularly care about in a phone: - Bezel size - Weight - Thickness - Manufacturer-specific apps and skins - Screen resolution beyond that of my eyes - Fastest possible processor Things I care about in a phone: - Ability to make calls - Battery life - Replaceable battery - Fits in my pocket - Expandable storage - Durable - Decent camera - Inexpensive - Gets security updates And what do the latest pho…

Bezel size matters to me.

I'd like to have enough of it to be able to grab the phone solidly by the sides without activating things on the screen.

Making it smaller is sheer insanity, unless you're only targeting people who lay their phone in one hand and operate it with the other.

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by Fricken »

tirant wrote: post #129
baldfat wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've had iPhones for many years and battery does not go bad. Also if in 2+ years you decide to change a battery I doubt you can find an original batter, and will end up with a cheap knockoff which might not work at all. All batteries go bad. Science I always go over the 2 years and for $20 I can buy a Duracell Battery that gets me back to the original life. Lithium Batteries Apple or not ALL Lithium batteries last…

That is not up-to-date information that you have. You can find plenty of batteries keeping 80% of the original charge after 1000 cycles or more.

At 1000 cycles my 2 year old Note4 battery probably still held 80% of it's charge, but it's my go to internet/entertainment device and I charge it 2 or 3 times daily. All the sudden 1000 cycles isn't that many cycles- but who cares when the battery is replacable? This phone should be good for 2 more years so long as I don't drop it in the toilet.

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by enraged_camel »

tirant wrote: post #129
baldfat wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've had iPhones for many years and battery does not go bad. Also if in 2+ years you decide to change a battery I doubt you can find an original batter, and will end up with a cheap knockoff which might not work at all. All batteries go bad. Science I always go over the 2 years and for $20 I can buy a Duracell Battery that gets me back to the original life. Lithium Batteries Apple or not ALL Lithium batteries last…

That is not up-to-date information that you have. You can find plenty of batteries keeping 80% of the original charge after 1000 cycles or more.

Yep. I have a mid-2011 MacBook Air and the battery still lasts 3-4 hours, which is reasonably close to the original specs, especially considering 5 years of constant, everyday use.

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by ruipgil »

Sharp had a similar phone. Samsung had the Edge, which is near bezel-less from the sides. And those are not concept phones, at least the edge is not.

Sarcastically, the success of these phones are dictated by how reliably they can be used, not by the size of their bezel.

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by khedoros1 »

GFischer wrote: post #127
khedoros1 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm considering buying an Xperia X Compact. It's about the size I think I'd be happy with, Sony devices tend to have great development communities, and Sony itself provides a means to unlock the phone's bootloader, and to compile AOSP for the device. Of course, it fails in the "cheap" dimension, and also on "size" and "replaceable battery" ones. Still, as far as things that would be considered compact in the current…

I recommended the Xperia Compact line to a coworker, and she says it's still too big. She wants it to fit comfortably on a woman's pocket. Something Motorola Razr-sized (about 20% smaller than the Xperia compact).

I can see that being a problem. Anyone that has tiny pockets and doesn't want to carry around a separate bag is mostly up a creek these days, even with phones that the market considers tiny.

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by njharman »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #48

Things I don't particularly care about in a phone: - Bezel size - Weight - Thickness - Manufacturer-specific apps and skins - Screen resolution beyond that of my eyes - Fastest possible processor Things I care about in a phone: - Ability to make calls - Battery life - Replaceable battery - Fits in my pocket - Expandable storage - Durable - Decent camera - Inexpensive - Gets security updates And what do the latest pho…

My delta

+ weight + costs - replaceable battery - expandable storage - decent camera (I've never had phone camera that wasn't good enough so assuming my decent is below your decent)

Desires differ. Data sample of one is meaningless. What is your point in posting your very individual ones? Are you claiming some sort of universal set?

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by izacus »

njharman wrote: post #137
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #48

Things I don't particularly care about in a phone: - Bezel size - Weight - Thickness - Manufacturer-specific apps and skins - Screen resolution beyond that of my eyes - Fastest possible processor Things I care about in a phone: - Ability to make calls - Battery life - Replaceable battery - Fits in my pocket - Expandable storage - Durable - Decent camera - Inexpensive - Gets security updates And what do the latest pho…

My delta + weight + costs - replaceable battery - expandable storage - decent camera (I've never had phone camera that wasn't good enough so assuming my decent is below your decent) Desires differ. Data sample of one is meaningless. What is your point in posting your very individual ones? Are you claiming some sort of universal set?

> Desires differ. Data sample of one is meaningless. What is your point in posting your very individual ones? Are you claiming some sort of universal set?

Perhaps the fact that the market consolidated to the point where it doesn't offer any choice to the consumers so they could vote with their wallets.

Also he never claimed any of the things you're asking him O.o

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by izacus »

evo_9 wrote: post #75
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #48

Things I don't particularly care about in a phone: - Bezel size - Weight - Thickness - Manufacturer-specific apps and skins - Screen resolution beyond that of my eyes - Fastest possible processor Things I care about in a phone: - Ability to make calls - Battery life - Replaceable battery - Fits in my pocket - Expandable storage - Durable - Decent camera - Inexpensive - Gets security updates And what do the latest pho…

Your personal needs are vastly different from the actual market; otherwise what you desire would be more aligned with what manufacturers are making. It's easy to think manufacturers ignore what the market wants but this is rarely the case. The phones being offered are more or less what people are asking for.

Talking about "market", when you only a choice few similar phones for each platform is kind of pointless. To have a normal market that responds to customer wishes, you first need to have customer choice for them to vote with the wallet.

Mobile phone market isn't that - modern platform lockin makes switching platforms extremely hard, forcing customers to give up major benefits if they want to "vote with the wallet". For example, if you're an Apple platform user, you have a choice of a few form factors which are very similar. Swithing to another platform will cost you a lot of money (rebuying apps, rebuying connected hardware like Apple TVs and similar to retain functionality) and cause you significant hassle. For that people aren't going to just switch to another device/platform just because some properties are annoying them. Platform lock-in does its job well.

Talking about market in these conditions is not really realistic, since "the market" can't respond to product features like capitalism demands for best customer satisfation.

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by izacus »

khedoros1 wrote: post #124
edgall wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In other words, a Nokia 3310 plus a camera and storage?

Presumably, that would fail "Screen resolution beyond that of my eyes". I think that they're saying that the screen matters, but that FHD/QHD isn't a requirement. Of course, I'm looking through the lens of what I'd like in a phone. They seem to like waterproofing and wireless charging as well, and at least the charging isn't usually available on the old candy-bar phones. Personally, I'd love something like a flagship…

Yep, my Xperia Z5compact is the only device I've found that comes close, but even this one has some frustratingly annoying software bugs, camera issues and lack of updates :/
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