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Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by acdha »

codazoda wrote: post #122
makecheck wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they still could. The message could say: “We have received X complaints of fraud for your app, "Totally Not a Scam Lite", and it will be removed in 2 days unless you contact us immediately at number >. In addition, if this is found to be true, any sales of your app will be refunded and not credited to your developer account.”.

Sure, they could, but it doesn't make business sense. This scheme might even cause a class action lawsuit from the people who bought it AFTER they knew it was fraud but BEFORE they removed it. Refunds very likely cost money in the form of credit card transaction fees and wages (people doing the refunding as well as CS fielding calls for two days).

Isn't that a classic cost of business which they're charging 30% of each transaction to cover? Banks do that kind of thing all the time with things like wire transfers where the fees and delays are, in part, expected to cover the cost of errors and abuse.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by [deleted] »

codazoda wrote: post #122
makecheck wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they still could. The message could say: “We have received X complaints of fraud for your app, "Totally Not a Scam Lite", and it will be removed in 2 days unless you contact us immediately at number >. In addition, if this is found to be true, any sales of your app will be refunded and not credited to your developer account.”.

Sure, they could, but it doesn't make business sense. This scheme might even cause a class action lawsuit from the people who bought it AFTER they knew it was fraud but BEFORE they removed it. Refunds very likely cost money in the form of credit card transaction fees and wages (people doing the refunding as well as CS fielding calls for two days).

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Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by waterphone »

izacus wrote: post #41

The thing the pisses me of about these cases is this: "I called them again and they said they can’t provide more information." They terminate your account and then they even refuse to tell you why. A basic human thing, a chance to fix the issue, but no. Go f* yourself from Apple and that's it.

That's very common with anything where a company claims fraud is suspected, because they argue that sharing any details will allow scammers and people doing fraudulent activity to figure out ways to game the system.

Google does the same thing when they kill your AdSense account for "invalid click activity" right before you're about to get a big payout. Amazon does the same thing with Amazon Payments. No explanation, no recourse. Infuriating.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by zeveb »

st3v3r wrote: post #113
zeveb wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't trust Apple to have my best interests at heart. Out of all the people and organisations in the world, only I have my best interests at heart. Thus, only I can be trusted to control, secure and curate my experience.

"I don't trust Apple to have my best interests at heart." Then don't buy their device.

> > I don't trust Apple to have my best interests at heart.

> Then don't buy their device.

From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12647379:

> I have not bought an Apple device in twenty years

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by appleflaxen »

rimantas wrote: post #66
izacus wrote: post #41

The thing the pisses me of about these cases is this: "I called them again and they said they can’t provide more information." They terminate your account and then they even refuse to tell you why. A basic human thing, a chance to fix the issue, but no. Go f* yourself from Apple and that's it.

Try contacting Google about anything.

The existence of a second, (even bigger, perhaps) problem has no bearing on the legitimacy of the first problem.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by kstrauser »

duncanawoods wrote: post #89
DiabloD3 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not allowing third party stores in the Store is a security feature because they can install APKs that have not passed through Google's security scanner. Google does not prohibit you from installing third party stores. Also, how are they using their dominance for search and browsers to do something? I can install Firefox on Android, I cannot install Firefox on iOS. I can do "Hey, Cortana" if I install Cortana on my An…

>> The EU thinks that they can post-facto change the law to effect Irish companies. This is illegal and immoral. You are severely misinformed. Ireland broke rules it agreed to under treaty in order to join the single market that have been enforced for decades, often regarding EU based companies. State aid is defined as giving advantages to one company but not others, thereby distorting competitive markets. Ireland is…

I'm in no way a Google fanboy: I'm typing this on my Mac, in Safari, which has DuckDuckGo set its search engine. But I think it's kind of nuts that Google could negotiate a tax arrangement with an entity and abide by it in good faith, then have another entity come along and say "your terms are invalid. You owe more in taxes now."

For instance, suppose I were the CEO of a company that negotiated a deal with, say, Utah. I held up my end of the agreement. I'm happy. Utah's happy. Then the US Gov't comes along and says "Utah, you and I agreed that you were going to charge more than you did." Why is that now my problem? I did everything I was supposed to. I don't why if someone has to be on the hook for the difference, then it's me and not Utah (or Google and not Ireland).

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by the8472 »

zymhan wrote: post #7
davesque wrote: post #6

Kinda puts it in perspective how weird it is that companies have so much control over how software is distributed and sold these days. This would never have happened a decade ago.

We also weren't using as many walled-garden devices and ecosystems a decade ago. There are certainly a lot of issues with the app store model. But using a service like download.com was also rife with issues.

A curated app-store should not be considered synonymous with walled garden. android allows side-loading. windows has "install.exe", the microsoft store and steam co-existing side-by-side. linux distros have their package managers, container images and `curl ... | sudo bash`.

Anyone who argues that all users must be herded into a walled garden in the name of security and alternatives are not acceptable is essentially advocating a digital nanny state.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by duncan_bayne »

"... all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

This sort of thing will continue as long as people persist in developing for proprietary walled gardens like iOS.

Once again, and despite my annoyance with the man in general, Stallman is right. This sort of thing is unethical, and we as developers shouldn't be supporting it by developing for iOS.

https://xkcd.com/743/

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by chillacy »

stuaxo wrote: post #102
projectileboy wrote: post #68

I wonder if Apple knows how many developers use Dash. They probably don't realize what a high-profile faux pas they're making.

This is the first time I've heard of this (not a mac user but am a developer). At least as this is software for developers, I reckon most won't mind buying it outside the appstore, it sounds really useful.

It's a lifesaver on planes where you won't have internet. If only I could download an archive of stackoverflow too, then I'd be set.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by takeda »

waterphone wrote: post #133
izacus wrote: post #41

The thing the pisses me of about these cases is this: "I called them again and they said they can’t provide more information." They terminate your account and then they even refuse to tell you why. A basic human thing, a chance to fix the issue, but no. Go f* yourself from Apple and that's it.

That's very common with anything where a company claims fraud is suspected, because they argue that sharing any details will allow scammers and people doing fraudulent activity to figure out ways to game the system. Google does the same thing when they kill your AdSense account for "invalid click activity" right before you're about to get a big payout. Amazon does the same thing with Amazon Payments. No explanation,…

> Google does the same thing when they kill your AdSense account for "invalid click activity" right before you're about to get a big payout. Amazon does the same thing with Amazon Payments. No explanation, no recourse. Infuriating.

And we still continue to use their service lika a b*ch we are :( They have no incentive to change, because no one else cares.

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