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Re: Pardon Snowden

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Post by jasonkostempski »

captainmuon wrote: post #117
JMCQ87 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're allowed your quota of one medium-impact dissident action per week, just like everyone else. As it helps to keep up maintaining the illusion of democracy and free speech, you are actually doing your country a great service. If you start to do more, however... Consider yourself warned. ^^ In this case, I can reassure you though: Online petition clicktivism has been shown to be very ineffective, so it's only cons…

I "love" how China actually tried to formalize this some time ago. Every citizen would get a citizen score, like our credit ratings, but grading how politically loyal they were. There was quite a bit of outrage on the western internet about this. The "funny" thing is, our governments are probably doing very similar things (though still to a lesser degree, and secretly). A big difference is that China often doesn't ha…

Are you referencing Beneath A Steel Sky or did it actually say "be vigilant"? I just finished the game last week :)

Re: Pardon Snowden

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Post by omegaham »

krylon wrote: post #122
ekianjo wrote: post #3

Pardonning Snowden while allowing the NSA to continue their business as usual would be strange.

It would make sense, though, in a twisted way - it would send the message "Nothing you did has had any consequence whatsoever, and to show you how little we care, we are not even sending you to jail for it". (I consider that highly unlikely, though.)

I think that they'd prefer to send the message of "Nothing you did has any consequence whatsoever, but you're still an exile for life." It could deter future whistleblowers from following his example.

As ineffective as the outrage has been, the NSA and US government definitely would have preferred that the issue never came up to begin with.

Re: Pardon Snowden

#133

Post by adam12 »

captainmuon wrote: post #60

Maybe a naive question, but what would the risk be for me to sign this? I wonder if I (a US citizen) might get trouble the next time at the border? Or get a higher score in some database, that combined with other things might get me into trouble? Increased scrutiny from the IRS (which should have nothing to do with this, but "they" might say hell why not?)? Inability to get security clearances in future? Being target…

The NSA most likely already knows this about you if you have a twitter or facebook.

Re: Pardon Snowden

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Post by koolba »

Whether or not Snowden get's pardoned depends on one thing and one thing only: Whether Obama wants it as part of his legacy.

Either way it's not going to happen till after the election and most likely not till the end of his term in January. I'd expect it to be more likely for him to be pardoned if Trump is elected as otherwise Clinton, by association, would be dogged with "granting quarter to an enemy of the state".

Re: Pardon Snowden

#135

Post by ionised »

captainmuon wrote: post #60

Maybe a naive question, but what would the risk be for me to sign this? I wonder if I (a US citizen) might get trouble the next time at the border? Or get a higher score in some database, that combined with other things might get me into trouble? Increased scrutiny from the IRS (which should have nothing to do with this, but "they" might say hell why not?)? Inability to get security clearances in future? Being target…

At the very least you'll be placed on some form of watch list and labelled a domestic extremist.

Re: Pardon Snowden

#136

Post by informatimago »

wfunction wrote: post #18

The thing I hate about all petition sites is that they ask for my personal information for... what purpose exactly? They don't even seem to try to verify anything. They just look like scams to me, which is a shame because I really think they shouldn't be...

Petitions cannot/should not be anonymous.

The fact that your name and address is known to the entity receiving the petition shows that you really mean it. Also, for some entities it might be illegal to be moved by petitions signed by non-citizen. Unfortunately, those petitions systems only ask for your address, not for your citizenship. But we can assume citizenship from the address for the first order.

Re: Pardon Snowden

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Post by Tepix »

felice_landry wrote: post #108
captainmuon wrote: post #60

Maybe a naive question, but what would the risk be for me to sign this? I wonder if I (a US citizen) might get trouble the next time at the border? Or get a higher score in some database, that combined with other things might get me into trouble? Increased scrutiny from the IRS (which should have nothing to do with this, but "they" might say hell why not?)? Inability to get security clearances in future? Being target…

It's awful that you are thinking about this, imho, as am I. I signed it, because I'd prefer not to live under an unaccountable surveillance superpower. Being in Australia, I'm at best, someone that kowtows to a surveillance superpower. Sucks to be me, I can't even vote to not be surveilled.

The link to the international campaign is broken and results in a 404 not found for me... did it work for you?

Re: Pardon Snowden

#138

Post by ewoodrich »

captainmuon wrote: post #60

Maybe a naive question, but what would the risk be for me to sign this? I wonder if I (a US citizen) might get trouble the next time at the border? Or get a higher score in some database, that combined with other things might get me into trouble? Increased scrutiny from the IRS (which should have nothing to do with this, but "they" might say hell why not?)? Inability to get security clearances in future? Being target…

I signed it and to be honest I'm not the biggest fan of Snowden but think he deserves an opportunity for pardon.

I'm honestly not the slightest bit afraid of retaliation, and if I was targeted it would be evidence in favor of Snowden's cause.

I don't understand how an American citizen could be afraid of exercising their free speech rights -- if they are violated, then one can vocally draw attention to their situation. I'm really not afraid of repercussions as a random American.

Re: Pardon Snowden

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Post by [deleted] »

captainmuon wrote: post #60

Maybe a naive question, but what would the risk be for me to sign this? I wonder if I (a US citizen) might get trouble the next time at the border? Or get a higher score in some database, that combined with other things might get me into trouble? Increased scrutiny from the IRS (which should have nothing to do with this, but "they" might say hell why not?)? Inability to get security clearances in future? Being target…

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Re: Pardon Snowden

#140

Post by captainmuon »

jasonkostempski wrote: post #131
captainmuon wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I "love" how China actually tried to formalize this some time ago. Every citizen would get a citizen score, like our credit ratings, but grading how politically loyal they were. There was quite a bit of outrage on the western internet about this. The "funny" thing is, our governments are probably doing very similar things (though still to a lesser degree, and secretly). A big difference is that China often doesn't ha…

Are you referencing Beneath A Steel Sky or did it actually say "be vigilant"? I just finished the game last week :)

It might have been just "thank you for your vigilance" or something similar, but it strongly reminded me of a game. Thanks for reminding me of what it was called :-) great game!
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