Earlier quoted context omitted.
What are SDI and ATL?
Samsung SDI is their battery manufacturing subsidiary. ATL is Amperex Technology Limited, a Chinese battery manufacturer.
Can anyone more familiar with batteries please describe the issue to us?
FAA Urges Passengers to Not Use Samsung Galaxy Note 7 on Planes
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#132Big gubmint taking away my liberty to burn up an airplane full of passengers with my shoddy cell phone. Trump will fix this.
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I wonder why they aren't being banned, the way that hover boards were (though I believe the fire risk for the Note 7 is only present while charging)
It would be unenforceable. You can't make airport staff verify that the passenger is using a Pixel C or Xperia Z4 rather than a Galaxy Note. You'd be lucky if they don't just call them all iPads.
Probably, but it does have to pass through security. I suspect it'd be easy enough to do a closer inspection of items of a certain size?
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder why they aren't being banned, the way that hover boards were (though I believe the fire risk for the Note 7 is only present while charging)
It would be unenforceable. You can't make airport staff verify that the passenger is using a Pixel C or Xperia Z4 rather than a Galaxy Note. You'd be lucky if they don't just call them all iPads.
I'm sitting here in the gates at Newark, and apparently United has already taken it upon themselves to do so.
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Me too. I fly a lot, and the thought of a damaged battery, or somebody leaving their notebook in sleep mode, packed in a suitcase of flammable clothes with all of the other luggage gives me anxiety at times. If I have both laptops with me, I check the heavier one, but take the battery out and carry it on. I fly from Hong Kong to the US quite a bit (16 hours), so alternate landing sites are few and far between. That,…
> but take the battery out obviously not a mac user
No, not anymore except for my 2011 iMac 27 ;)
I did have a 2011 Macbook that did heat up quite a bit, but I always carried it on for fear of damage and theft back then.
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Flammable clothes is kind of an oxymoron. Pretty much any textile intended to be work gets treated with flame retardants.
And they're washed off during the first machine wash. Your point is?
That and I have lived in SE Asia where there's a lot of handcrafted fabrics, foods, and other unbelievable things checked-in and carried on luggage once you're flying on a plane not bound for a major city. Just look at the Customs line in JFK or Newark to see what they pull out of people's luggage if you're coming from Asia or Africa. I can't speak to other points of origin.
I don't know of any reports of fires in luggage holds.
I know there are fire suppression devices as mandated by the FAA. It used to be just containment, but they changed it to suppression thank goodness.
Nonetheless, I vote for carry-on where you can see it before a single-point failure occurs with the fire suppression system unseen in the luggage hold. I can imagine the fire suppression system either not being charged or armed from my related experience with safety issues in the hospitality industry.
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Airports around the world must make a fortune selling bottled water. That rule is never going away no matter how stupid it is :-(
I've yet to step foot in an airport that didn't have water fountains, and won't let you take an empty reusable bottle through security. There's no need to buy bottled water.
I take empty bottles always, but most airports have no fountains and only hot water in the bathrooms.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
Me too. I fly a lot, and the thought of a damaged battery, or somebody leaving their notebook in sleep mode, packed in a suitcase of flammable clothes with all of the other luggage gives me anxiety at times. If I have both laptops with me, I check the heavier one, but take the battery out and carry it on. I fly from Hong Kong to the US quite a bit (16 hours), so alternate landing sites are few and far between. That,…
And yet, this has never happened.
Your comment was after mine above. Never? I wouldn't rush judgement. Here is an incident of a lithium battery in a camera bag in an overhead bin causing a fire and subsequent return to departure airport [1], and another of an air-purifier exploding in the cabin causing burns to one passenger and hospitalization of some others due to smoke inhalation [2].
And here's one where the crew of a UPS cargo plane lost their lives due to a fire with rigin located near a pallet containing some lithium batteries in the main deck cargo area. Granted fire suppression was not there I think, but you get the picture [3].
I have not worked in the airline industry, but the above incidents were reported, and were highly-visible, occurring in the passenger cabin. I wonder if there are any unreported incidents of the fire suppression system going off in the cargo/baggage hold? I'll have to read through the source material more.
I know it's speculative, but I say it having worked in a high-risk job where minor incidents like paper cuts and stapler accidents were reported by the front office, but much more serious incidents occurred in the underwater work we did, and did not get duly reported. Safety is a diligence game, and we tend to get jaded by daily 'minor' incidents until a big one occurs and rattles everyone to muster, or it sees the light of the press & public.
[1] http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/A320,_vicinity_New_York_J...
[2] http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/B738,_en-route,_Colorado_...
[3] http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/B744,_vicinity_Dubai_UAE,...