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When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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> Why? Because a lot of their decisions are irrational and it is extremely difficult to have an opponent that does irrational decisions. So if I make business decisions via ouija board or in a cocaine induced rage, I'll have a leg up?

> So if I make business decisions via ouija board or in a cocaine induced rage, I'll have a leg up? No, but you'll have a job on Wall Street or maybe be a hedge fund manager.

You mistake appetite for risk as irrational. This might be true in some cases but I don't think it is general the same.

I think more of the scorpion and the frog: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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The article is off-the-topic.

It states clearly, Uber hasn't got to the state that Chinese government would put the thumb on the scale, but go straight and use Google's example to picture what would happen if Uber ever close to domination, in order to resell pieces of his book about Google's exit from China.

He might be right. Chinese government is as shady as it has ever been. But since Uber hasn't ever got close to what Google has been in China(Google has been close to dominate the market back in 2009), and their completely different nature of business, Uber's failure in China resembles very little to what forces out Google.

I won't go in deep analysis why Uber decided to make the move. But bear in mind, China has its own internet ecosystem, because the infamous Great Firewall, to the point, the government publish pieces that the 'internet' will keep functioning even US decides to cut China off, showcasing how 'secure' and isolated it is. When it comes to internet, I cannot remember what foreign services cannot be replaced by local counterparts. Besides, those local companies are very successful, Tencent and Alibaba are both 100B worth company, they both invest huge money in Didi. And when it comes to internet, China is pretty much catches up to U.S. in terms of technology. If the situation is reversed, would you ever believe Didi can compete with Uber here in U.S.? I don't think so. And for Uber, China is something good to have, but for Didi it is that they couldn't afford to lose, the determination to battle to the ground is different.

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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That doesn't mean this isn't impressive. What's your point?

I think his point is that there are some boundaries over which we do not go, at least not easily. Meanwhile the disregard of Chinese governments for Chinese citizens can fill volumes :)

If you think the US government or industry haven't then it's because you've never read any history.

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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Yes. http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?end=2015&...

Showing total GDP, without accounting for population is disingenuous. Don't you think that GDP per capita would be a better indicator, perhaps? http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?end=20...

China's outperformance of Europe is undeniable. In the chart you shared China was at barely 1/20 of Europe's level a generation ago and now is over 1/3.

What will the comparison be in one more generation?

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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You're looking at the PR, look at the actual technology. Anyone can build a big enough supercomputer if you throw enough money at the problem. This high level of spending is getting hard to justify, however, because most of the problems you want to solve can't be solved just by throwing another order of magnitude of computing power at the problem. Building a supercomputer becomes a bit of a boondoggle, a public-relat…

TSMC have two 16nm fabs and are building a 10nm fab.

To clarify, by "China" I mean People's Republic of China, not Republic of China (which is usually called Taiwan).

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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It seems to me that China outplayed the West here by a wide margin. For some reason, the West has let China get away with extremely protectionist trade policies the likes of which no one else in the world would dare even attempt. I think this was a combination of fear that isolating China vs creating a high degree of economic interdependence could lead to war down the line, and a lack of control over Western companie…

Don't forget the USA's ace in the hole for brewing civil unrest in other countries: Hollywood. (I'm being mordant here; not advocating for international psy-ops.) American media project a depiction of life that is very attractive by design, and this raises expectations among consumers of this media. If Chinese people were not aware of the lifestyles of westerners, the Chinese government would be under less pressure t…

Then again, Hollywood is now increasingly dependent on China, increasingly tailors film to the Chinese market and cultural demands, and is taking more and more financing from China:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/21/words-...

http://fortune.com/hollywood-film-financing/

https://next.ft.com/content/2cb93908-2c65-11e6-bf8d-26294ad5...

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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And watch while we are plunged into a recession due to a huge disruption in global supply chains. Sorry, but complex problems don't have simple answers. Trump can't unilaterally force China to stop its protectionism, at least not without inflicting significant hurt on the American economy. How do you think people will react to a 10% increase in prices for almost all goods?

"And watch while we are plunged into a recession due to a huge disruption in global supply chains." WHAT supply chain? There is NO supply chain anymore. JIT (Just-In-Time) inventory has been replaced by BLTN (Better-Late-Than-Never) and AGNM (Ain't-Got-No-More) inventory. Went to a large box store on the weekend. They had empty containers marked "Display" on the shelves. Two different employees explained that I shoul…

Your anecdotes are not data.

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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Don't forget the USA's ace in the hole for brewing civil unrest in other countries: Hollywood. (I'm being mordant here; not advocating for international psy-ops.) American media project a depiction of life that is very attractive by design, and this raises expectations among consumers of this media. If Chinese people were not aware of the lifestyles of westerners, the Chinese government would be under less pressure t…

I just saw the new Star Wars -- cofinanced by (e:) Alibaba films. In it, one of the moral cruxes of the main story was that the crew needed 'Unity'. I saw this as a subtle shift from american 'Freedom'. There's a point where some 'good guys' are being held prisoner. In any red-blooded American Hollywood Film, this would lead to 'GIVE US OUR FREEDOM' type resistance. In this movie, it led to 'WE NEED UNITY' resistance…

>In it, one of the moral cruxes of the main story was that the crew needed 'Unity'. I saw this as a subtle shift from american 'Freedom'.

Teamwork is a huge theme in countless Hollywood movies. A rag tag group of misfits who has to overcome their differences and learn to work together is a classic movie trope.

I don't think this has anything do with trying to appeal to Chinese audiences.

Less complex (and less overall) dialogue designed to make it easier to translate is an actual example of trying to succeed in China.

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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I just saw the new Star Wars -- cofinanced by (e:) Alibaba films. In it, one of the moral cruxes of the main story was that the crew needed 'Unity'. I saw this as a subtle shift from american 'Freedom'. There's a point where some 'good guys' are being held prisoner. In any red-blooded American Hollywood Film, this would lead to 'GIVE US OUR FREEDOM' type resistance. In this movie, it led to 'WE NEED UNITY' resistance…

Independence Day, a blue-blooded American Hollywood Film if there ever was one, is also all about unity.

Think you mean red-blooded.

"Ordinary People" is a blue-blooded American Hollywood film.

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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According to reports on the ground, Didi used its local knowledge to act more nimbly in satisfying Chinese customers. But my guess is that if the American ride-sharing company had been more successful, China would have put a Mao-sized thumb on the scales. So Didi was actually better; it's a bit unfair to say that otherwise the game would have been rigged.

Didi seems to be better at e.g. customer service. For example, their support can be reached by phone, and Uber support can be only reached via Email. I'm sure people know, in China, call center operates way cheaper than in U.S. This and the fact that people are unwilling to use Email are some of the major sources of complaint on Uber I've heard about.

If thats true, Uber was simply being incompetent here. We recently launched a shop on Tmall (Alibaba version of Amazon), and you usually hire a local agency to provide customer support for the chinese. 80% of the traffic is mobile, so they use SMS and phone calls a lot, emails much less than in the west. Also chat, they expect to be able to directly talk to someone via chat from the website.

Not doing so means disregarding local habits, good luck with that.

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