They didn't revoke any ham license:
http://www.dx-world.net/ham-radio-in-turkey/
At least not yet.
Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses
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#132What's the point of being a dictator? I sometimes think of really cool stuff one should do and think: "Well you would have to be a dictator to do that.". Maybe I am indoctrinated in Western propaganda but off the top of my had I cannot come up with a cause that is worthwhile enough to pursue if you consider the negative consequences of a dictatorship. Maybe AI, space stuff or immortality - essentially the same thing.…
What tends to happen in dictatorships is that actions started by the dictator are seen as their ruling, not as the best course of action given the evidence (even when they provide the evidence, it's assumed to be doctored).
The other part of it is that the dictator is presented with an image that has little to do with reality. Take a look at any large corporation where there's a lot of distance between the CEO and the base. If a branch knows that there'll be a visit from the CEO to their location, a massive effort is made to make it look like everything is wonderful (fresh paint, clean desks, etc.). Dictators make decisions based on what's presented, not what's actually happening. (Reminds me so much of the Paranoia RPG.)
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd rather live under a liberal, pro-Western, secular military junta, than an illiberal democracy ruled by Islamists who are destroying liberties, hollowing out civil society, and turning the country into a Sunni version of Iran under the Ayatollahs. Fareed Zakaria has a great book, The Future of Freedom , where he discusses, among other things, the perils of illiberal democracy. The bit that really stuck in my head…
I agree with you, but I can't help but feel that this position isn't defensible. Don't they have the democratic right to move to a more religious society if the majority want it?
That is "tyranny of the majority", and is one of the well-known failure modes of democracy.
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#134Looks like the article has been updated to indicate that this is false information (see the red text at the bottom):
"We’re happy to confirm that this news has been disproved we apologise for the false information given but apparently local hams from Istanbul city were interdicted from transmitting until yesterday"
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is relevant for HN as it involves the attempted crackdown on individuals using technology to communicate. Especially when it involves a channel that doesn't go through a government gatekeeper.
That argument is tenuous, because the thread inevitably turned into just another generic political thread about Turkey.
Sadly yes but it hadn't I think when I originally posted...
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#136Interesting. I can't seem the find the official press release for this. RTÜK web site doesn't seem to list anything, quoted TRAC organization web site is the same. Am I missing something?
There's an update at the bottom of the article saying that this information was incorrect/wrong.
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#137N.B.: Update at bottom of article saying this information was wrong.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's when we'll know he's really gone off the rails. I think I read that Kerry had said something like "sure, we'll extradite him...if you have evidence that he committed any crimes." Since any evidence they do have is likely to be pretty weak, this seems like a classic "remember that USA is the boss of you" move. A reasonable Turkish leader wouldn't call that bluff, but Ergodan seems to be slipping deeper and deep…
> Since any evidence they do have is likely to be pretty weak, this seems like a classic "remember that USA is the boss of you" move. I don't follow how you got from A to B there; I don't read Kerry's position as asserting American authority or sovereignty at all, to be honest. It's a standard for extradition which is a sovereignty affair as well as a legal due process consideration in our system of government, but n…
I don't think it's a bluff, that was a poor choice of words. I meant something along the lines of "taking up the challenge".
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately, the people of Turkey were going to be screwed no matter how the coup went. If it had succeeded, they would have got a military dictatorship. Now they get a different kind of dictatorship instead. Erdogan was slowly evolving into a dictator before the coup, and now he's accelerating that process. I wonder if the best outcome for democracy in Turkey would have been a attempted coup which resulted in Erdo…
I'd rather live under a liberal, pro-Western, secular military junta, than an illiberal democracy ruled by Islamists who are destroying liberties, hollowing out civil society, and turning the country into a Sunni version of Iran under the Ayatollahs. Fareed Zakaria has a great book, The Future of Freedom , where he discusses, among other things, the perils of illiberal democracy. The bit that really stuck in my head…
> Liberal values and constitutional government preceded true democracy by hundreds of years in the West. Why do we expect otherwise anywhere else?
Also the lion's share of economic and scientific advancement.
For some reason democracy is being treated as the all encompassing headline act and receives applause tenuously related to its performance.
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#140What's the point of being a dictator? I sometimes think of really cool stuff one should do and think: "Well you would have to be a dictator to do that.". Maybe I am indoctrinated in Western propaganda but off the top of my had I cannot come up with a cause that is worthwhile enough to pursue if you consider the negative consequences of a dictatorship. Maybe AI, space stuff or immortality - essentially the same thing.…
> So my dictatorship would consist mostly of cost cutting, economic incentives, educational reforms, reducing administration costs - essentially what every government claims to try anyway.
I recommend you hire a food taster. In fact get a dozen, they're cheaper that way.